CAW won't agree to a $19/hr cut, Lewenza says
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Date: Monday Apr. 20, 2009 7:59 PM ET
The Canadian Auto Workers and Chrysler Canada had begun a marathon bargaining session critical to the company's future in Ontario -- and steady pay cheques for about 9,000 hourly workers.
CAW president Ken Lewenza told CTV Toronto on Monday before going into the negotiations that Chrysler's position that the union must agree to a total of $19 per hour in wages and benefits is not bargaining.
"I was quite surprised that Chrysler drew this line in the sand," he said.
Chrysler claims total compensation is about $76 per hour when wages and benefits are lumped together, but there is some dispute between the two sides over that figure.
Lewenza said he couldn't see his union agreeing to such a steep cut, but also said he didn't want to speculate about what might happen if no deal can be reached.
The negotiations on labour concessions are a final step to try and save the automaker from bankruptcy or even liquidation.
Chrysler has until the end of the month to give the provincial and federal governments a business restructuring plan that will show the company can rebuild itself with the help of government loans.
Earlier Monday, Lewenza said he resents criticism that his members are unwilling to budge in their do-or-die negotiations with Chrysler Canada.
He told a news conference that the CAW has shown more flexibility in its negotiations than ever before in the organization's history and that it's time people stopped blaming the union for the auto industry's troubles.
"There's not one single financial analyst out there that will say to you today that seven per cent of the manufacturing industry's entire labour cost will be the determining factor of whether (the struggling companies) stay open or not," he said.
"Seven per cent of the total labour cost is getting 100 per cent of the criticism," he added.
He said instead the focus should be on the "billions of dollars in transactions between bondholders and the government."
The GM deal
Last week, Lewenza promised the union wouldn't concede to any more wage cuts than it did in their agreement with General Motors.
The GM agreement is estimated to save that automaker about $7 an hour per worker, something that General Motors Corp. CEO Fritz Henderson said put the compensation figure at a competitive rate.
Lewenza said his members would help Chrysler find other ways to save money.
On Monday, however, he admitted the situation is "shifting enormously" and said he is keeping a close eye on how negotiations unfold in the U.S. between Chrysler and the United Auto Workers union.
But Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne told The Globe and Mail last week that his company will renege on a proposed partnership with Chrysler if the CAW doesn't agree to the cut.
Lewenza reiterated on Monday that the CAW had given up hundreds of millions of dollars in concessions already and that it was time the company look elsewhere to cut costs.
He said he had received calls from representatives of both the provincial and federal government urging him to reach a deal with Chrysler quickly.
"It's frustrating but we'll get through it," he said.
Auto industry analyst Charlotte Yates said Monday that Chrysler is taking advantage of the heavy political pressure facing the union to frighten members into thinking the company will fold if they don't agree to concessions.
"We have to understand that this is a political issue, as well," Yates, of McMaster University, told CTV Newsnet. "I think the company sees this as an opportunity to restructure and to get what it can out of the union and then, wow, how lucky can they be but Fiat, as well as our own government, comes in and says to the CAW you have to do this."
Yates said even if Chrysler wins union concessions and issues a plan by the deadline, the company will likely end up in bankruptcy, even if for a short period, to recalibrate its finances.
The federal and Ontario governments have already loaned Chrysler Canda $750 million of $1 billion promised.
GM has $3 billion to draw upon when needed.
Michael Bryant, Ontario's economic development minister, said all stakeholders must make concessions to get a deal done.
"It is absolutely the case that everybody has to come to the table. There has to be equality of sacrifice," Bryant said. "I'm hopeful that that's going to happen."
Workers 'insecure'
Lewenza began the news conference pleading with Canadian governments to give pension protection the same priority it gave the banking industry at the start of the recession.
He said the Ontario budget made some clear promises about working with the federal government to enhance the pension plan.
Since then, the province has made workers feel "insecure" with speculation that the Ontario Pension Benefits Guarantee Fund is not substantial enough to protect auto industry pensioners who are at risk of losing their job, Lewenza said.
The pension fund has about $100 million available. That fund provides pensioners in every industry with up to $1,000 per month in case a private pension plan fails.
But the pension liabilities of the flailing auto industry runs into the billions.
Lewenza said Monday that governments have a responsibility to make sure that pensions "are adequate moving forward."
With a report from CTV Toronto's Tom Hayes and files from The Canadian Press
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Badly managed corporations are collapsing.
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The workers who lose their jobs will have to adjust, with the help of unemployment insurance, severance, retraining, perhaps welfare.
Companies that have been doing business with Chrysler and GM may also go out of operation.
It's not up to working class people to put themselves into poverty-level socioeconomic status just to preserve a corporation's existence.
RVH
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Randy, Ontario
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Very simple, make concessions or you will all be out of work. The CAW can still make good wages but some of the extras (that no one else gets) have to go.
NO GOVERNMENT MONEY TO THESE COMPANIES...
James
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enough is enough
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RCR
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TVic
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AndyL
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JJ
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Graham
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Canada Matters
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Rich in Aurora
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Ivan
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NotAnAutoWorker-JustaDriver
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Fiat wants to invest in Chrysler only if the workers give up everything.
Chrysler builds crap. How much better will their vehicles be if their workers are totally disenfranchised?
I hear the death knell for this company. How much will this government throw at a sinking ship?
Larry NL
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The only difference now, is that their employers are REALLY up against the wall and the the unions put them there.
Rolling back wages is the way to go. Only the CAW members could afford the product that they are producing.
dna in NS
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matt - oshawa
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Perhaps hourly wages only represent 7% as the CAW goons keep telling us and perhaps there are some savings to be had elsewhere. BUT - the time has come where you CAW slugs need to admit that you are grossly over paid and have a benefit package in need of trimming. $5000 per kid for tuition, legal fees, health care for US travel, SPA weeks - just to name a few! I've been in Oshawa car and truck assembly, and I've been in Chrysler Brampton. I know what it is you do and I know for a fact there would be line ups for miles to do those jobs at the rate Fiat in proposing.
Terrence from Brampton
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You and the Union are indeed not soley to blaim for Chrysler's issues with such things as poor quality, expensive vehicles, and poor fuel economy but you are also not helping the situation. The company in the short term requires this deal with FIAT and the government in order to survive. So take the short term pain for your own unions long term survival. People will adjust with less money now and if the company survives and becomes healthy again, you can negotiate some benefits back. Why cant you get this through your thick skull.
There are only two scenarios here. You make concessions and Chrysler and the Union survive, or the deal goes south, Chrysler goes bankrupt and makes a deal in the U.S forgoing Canadian operation thus costing thousands of your Union Jobs
Robert Brise
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All we hear about is that the Government has money to protect the Caw workers in case of a layoff or loss of Job?
Where the heck has the Private pension money , that the workers paid into gone, Or was that another Big 3 giveaway?
TK
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Terry in Ottawa
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CAW not helping their own cause
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The CAW has NO credibility at all and is like a bad hemorrhoid on our economy we just wish it would go away and leave us alone!
DGL
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Brian
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Dean
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Al
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liz ottawa
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doodle4
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Moving forward?!
What 'bright light' started using this phrase "moving forward'. Everytime I read of someone using this phrase I cringe. I must see it ten times a day, if not more.
It sounds ridiculous. C'mon you herd of sheep, find another way to express yourself.
Blythe Ponsonby Smythe. Pickering.
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Stéphane
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A.H. Kingston
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DJ
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Kevin Hickey
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dave ontario
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Margaret
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Can someone tell me what they gave up? Giving up sick days is not a "concession".Sick days are supposed to be used for when you are ill, not kept until you retire, so that you can retire 6 months early.....
Took a wage freeze...welcome to the real world....
I guess you really can negoitate your way OUT of a job,
good luck
Jon in Burl.
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Listen to you at noon on CP 24, same old garbage from you.
I like many Canadians do want to see one dime of my money go to save your sorry behind.
You and your union got greedy over the last 10-15 years and know it is time to pony up.
With all this whining from GM and Chrysler the North American car I might look at is Ford.
Lat thing, where is all the union dues and what kind of contract/salary do you have?
Henry
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Kim
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Peter in Ottawa
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It is simple CAW - if you don't offer enough to save your jobs, then there won't be any jobs to save.
r.larocque
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Anne
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Doug Rutherford, Whitehorse
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The workers are not the ones responsible here. Completely incompetent management is the reason why Chrysler is going down the tubes. I wonder who ties their senior managment's shoes for them before the leave the house in the morning.
marty
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Anne
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nc
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One thing learned from this, is that people should be vigilant about their bread and butter issues.
Now the auto industry can't afford the pensions or the benefits. Because no one paid attention to what was actually being done.
The provincial govt. can't guarantee the pensions nor can the auto companies ot the union.
Bill
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The Chrysler employee pensions are 100% funded by the company. The employees do not contribute to the plan. Who else gets this kind of employment perk?
edCP
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No concessions - no jobs!
Is that really hard to understand?
James
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Cambob
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This is YOUR fault. All of you who have not bought a new car this year, and every year. All of you who dared to by a car from a non-union company. All of you who wanted a better deal for your money!
The government basically stepped in and said "If consumers won't buy your cars, then taxpayers will!" (except of course, not a single taxpayer is going to get a car from the billions given to these unionized foreign owned car companies)
So there you have it. It's YOUR fault that on your wage and with your tax level you can't afford a new car every year. leave these poor unionized workers alone! All this stress might force some of them to use up thier spa days!!!
DaveEast
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Listen, Mr. Lewenza, the blame game is no longer relevant. All that is relevant is the deal you intend to strike with Chrysler (if you will pardon that word...) You want to save the livelihoods of the workers who wrongly have entrusted their futures to you? Then agree to a package that will do so. You want instead to score debating points, and blame all and sundry for the current woes of Chrysler/GM? Bully for you! But you know of course that you are sacrificing every Canadian Chrysler job just to prove it "wasn't you".
You want us to guarantee pensions, prop up your Golden Goose, and sympathize with you about how hard done by the CAW is? Won't happen.
If you WEREN'T the villain in this charade before, you are fast becoming one.
They're not just bolt-turners.
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No, I'm not a union member.
But I appreciate the importance of the skilled trades in an economy that hopes to be prosperous.
Some of you bitter people need to put more energy into upgrading skill sets and less energy into jealous carping about fellow workers.
MikeLondon
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Who gave the union workers the crazy benefits?
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No bailouts for corporate welfare bums.
Terry in Ottawa
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Steve the Pundit
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That's like sailors on the Titanic saying "We've done all the bailing we want, now we're tired, it's somebody else's turn". It doesn't change the fact the ship is still sinking and needs "all hands on deck" going full-out to prevent it from going under.
When will Lewenza get it through his skull that, even it it is "only seven percent", wage costs must be brought into line to even give the venture even a CHANCE of succeeding in the long term. Most of the other major costs are "FIXED" (factories, debt), they need to invest heavily in new product development, and they can't save money by reducing the quality of parts and components, so that leaves wages as one of the few so-called "VARIABLE" components (of course, in the CAW's "jobs for life" culture, there should be no variability when it comes to their piece of the pie).
Make whatever deal is necessary, Ken to save your members livelihoods; you have less than 10 days to do the right thing, or forever be branded as the iceberg that sank the auto industry in Canada...
Jake former resident of Ontario
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Pete, Burlington
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Its not going to wash though as every opinion poll shows that the people of Canada have woken up to what a terrible disservice the unions have done to our nation with their continual greed.
There is no point blaming anyone but yourselves for this mess. $7/hr doesn't go nearly far enough and the only reason that the CAW wants to avoid reality is because they know that if everyone made the same wage as a Toyota lineworker then they would not want to pay dues to the union every week and Kenny and his buddies would be in the unemployment line.
The North American car industry has for too long bowed down to unions and produced cars that people don't want. GM and Ford have some great European designs that compete well with the Japanese and the other European models and I am sure they could move these over here if they could get the deals done.
C'mon Kenny, do what is right for your members and the nation and get the deal done at whatever price to save the jobs and then accept that the workers will decertify and join the 21st century. Unions were needed at one time, but not anymore.
MRC in Ontario
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What is so unreasonable about making the same amount of money, which is quite generous, as a Canadian Toyota or Honda assembly line employee?
Until you answer that very reasonable question, straight up, your whole greedy union should collapse.
P.S. Is anyone aware that GM cut 50% of their Canadian engineering staff within the last few years? Yes, FIFTY percent! Don't hear the poor engineers crying the blues on national/international television, do you? While they have every right to be heard just as much as Ken Lewenza, do you know why they don't make a fuss?...Because they have TRANSFERRABLE SKILLS & ATTITUDES.
Joey Steeves
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Put all thise quebec prisoners on 12 hour rotating shifts in the plants instead of using tax dollars.
Solves overcrowding and saves Chrysler.
Brent - Penticton, BC
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Hal
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You are not getting any more of my money. If the Feds or Prov. govt's try to support your pensions when most Ontario taxpayers don't have a pension, the govt's will be blackballed from office. Time for you guys to grow up or join the unemployment line!
Porky in Vancouver
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Terry S.
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It hurts to take such a massive cut but if the choice is that or owning a house and living in a town where unemployment suddenly skyrockets to 50% or more and completely LOOSING your job, I'd be willing to talk.
The workers are not to blame for their companies mismanagement that led to this point but now they have to pay the price. If they are not willing to work for a reasonable wage, one that isn't more than DOUBLE what most would make in a similar job then they loose everything and Canada looses as well.
Sparky
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anti-union
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Unioners are overpaid. Quality of product is poor. No one buying their vehicles....threat of bankruptcy...burn documentation that they we won't concede anything (only a slight pay decrease)...
Probably why I am happy with my Toyota, Volkswagen, Subuaru and Honda that are sitting in my driveway.
Perhaps....lower wages for unioners, better quality product, lose the attitude (hey, why not work together for a solution) and perhaps once the quality is comparable, I have not problem going back to the GM, Fords and Chryslers I used to own.....
Doug BC
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Lewenza claims that the "CAW has shown more flexibility in their negotiations than ever before in the organizations history". No kidding? Isn't that a bit like being the best bobsledder in all of Jamaica??
No.Unions have NOT been the cause of the demise of the North American economy.I support MOST unions,MOST of the time.But that issue is not a zero summ game.There are many responsible unions all over the world.I just don't think the CAW falls into that category.
The trouble is,whether you have a union job,or you run your own company,once you are the highest costing producer in your field of expertise,your days are numbered.
The governments can help out here,but the MUST NOT sign on to a deal that sees tax dollars being used to subsidize the wages of the best paid workers in North America while they build vehicles no one wants,or no one needs.
The company,and the CAW have been asked to present a plan they can succeed with in the future.It's up to both of them.But governments MUST walk out in the absence of a road to profitability.
D.K.
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KW in Edmonton
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The union needs to be realistic, and management needs to have a cap on pay and bonuses if they continue to operate.
I would rather see them go bankrupt than pay to keep them alive.
John Boy
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Toyota and Honda will open plants and will be looking for workers. They, however, will not be paying outrageous wages.
Lorne
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Both parties have to make major concessions.
We also don't have all the facts and just a lot of finger pointing.
Government should not be required to guarantee the pensions of workers.
It appears that the company was paying all pension benefits, health benefits and a portion of tuition fees, day care fees, etc.
But we really don't know for sure.
If this is the case, then it's time the workers started to contribute to these different plans, which might reduce the costs.
In addition, the company should cut salaries to it's executives, along with all the perks.
Also, the company will have to reduce the costs of vehicles, to the public, by a considerable margin, say 25%, in order to sell.
We all know this will not happen and as a result, the company is dead in the water!!
Mike from Concord
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It is really simple, if you want any chance of keeping your members working then make concessions.
If you want your members collecting unemployment, then keep hanging tough, it will happen.
Son of Autoworker!
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Gord
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Public sympathy is nil since both the auto industry management and labour blew their crebibility with the general public long ago.
rediculouswages
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John
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Make up your minds...the rest of us know what we would do if we were in your shoes.
Adam, Ottawa
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AJ
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Do you not understand what is going on?
Bondholders would not be bondholders if GM or the others did not issue them trying to raise money.
Why do they have to make any concessions, they have parked their money into a company that was supposed to be sucessful. They are not part of the cost structure like employees, they are not part of the bottom line.
The employees are part of the cost structure and if you have a company that can run lean; you will be attractive to more investment ie. bondholders and shareholders.
The bondholders had to PUT MONEY INTO THE COMPANY to get money out. They don't show up every day, watch some robots then go home 1 minute early every day. This is not limited to the union.
Employees are the ones to make concessions. If they do the company is more profitable, and unfortunately they are not profitable due to the large wages that the employees command.
Why don't you ask investors to intentionally lose money that they have put into the company, that is a good way to ensure no future investment, thus not allowing the company to raise funds, and you guessed it not be able to operate.
Putting you out of a job again!
Stop whining take the cut in benefits...it is the same pay anyway in most cases...so what that you have to pay for your kids college/university...I have to.
Suck it up, keep your job.
Mark
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...and they've 'sacrificed so much'. PUUHHLLEEEASE!!!!!!!!!
What is the educational requirement to do the above...grade 10?
Sorry Mr. Lewenza, that noise you hear is the door to your plant closing. This union is one of the most beligerant, aggressive and entitled there is. Times, they are a changing.
Roger T
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Consumers have no faith in a dying brand which is plagued with so much problems.
Dismantle the Union and replace ALL the executives.
Mary-Anne from Toronto
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Common guys! It's about saving your own jobs!
ik
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Nick in Gatineau
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The problem is that the profit margins are heading the other way. So as costs rise, profits falls.
It sounds ridiculous that companies are declairing 2 and 3 billion in profits, but that translates to a reduction in their profit margins. The moment they cross the 3 and 4 % threshold, see ya. Done like dinner.
And yes, it is precisely because of Unions that the 3 are in this mess because each bargaining agreement forces the unions to accept cuts in either pay or their number of workers, or... The prices of cars go up. Price goes up, sales go down.
The unions forced the 3 to jack-up the prices.
No bailout for them. Period.
Next.
Aristotle
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Michael Magnus
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Oscar in Ottawa
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I'd imagine Ken Lewenza's job is not hanging in the balance while he "negotiates" with Chrysler. In the end if loosing your job vice taking a pay cut is better, you need your head examined.
Another thing, why is the rest of Canada being placed on the hook for the possible collapse of a private company's pensions? As a taxpayer I can't wait to pay these, union facilitated, overpaid people their inflated pensions.... give me a break.
Hey Ken, another thing, Canadian's are tired of hearing "It's not the CAW's fault" take some responsibility for your Union's "accomplishments" or lack there of.
Mr T, Ontario
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We live in a competitive society. If your competitors build the same car, but more profitably (i.e. same price/lower overheads) and better/more desirably (e.g. Honda/Toyota), then you have to adapt to compete (unions AND the company).
The time for jobs for life are long gone, just ask the Unions at Rover in England...
Raj
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Gail (Hamilton)
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Reality
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Al
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John,Oshawa
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eddytoronto
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The bailout needs are growing with Car loans and Credit card debt were also securitized and sold.
As the economy worsens, credit card and car loan defaults are rising. Moreover, AIG needs more money from the government. Fannie Mae’s loss has widened despite the $200 billion bailout.
General Motors and Ford need taxpayer money to survive. General Motors says that its GMAÇ mortgage unit may not survive. Deutsche Bank sees General Motors shares as likely worthless.
Canadians do not understand is that the recession paradigm does not apply. There are no jobs waiting at US and Canadian manufacturers for a demand stimulus to pull Americans and Canadians back to work. The problem is not a liquidity problem. To the contrary, too much liquidity. Credit has grown far more than production. Indeed, U.S.and Canadian production has been moved offshore.
The work is gone. All that are left are credit card and mortgage debts!
Anyone who thinks that America and Canada still has a vibrant economy needs to Wake -Up Now!
Traditionally, debts that are beyond an economy’s ability to service are inflated away. This suggests that the coming depression will be an inflationary depression. Instead of falling prices mitigating the effects of falling employment, higher prices will go hand in hand with rising unemployment–a situation worse than the Great Depression.
Unregulated banksters and Wall St criminals, greedy CEOs, and a no-think economics profession have destroyed Canadas and America’s economy.
rod
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Allan Eizinas
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It is managements’ fault for caving in and giving the unions all those concessions over the years after the CAW kept going out on strike.
eric
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Steve
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CAW, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.
Whether or not your organization caused the current mess, you're not doing enough to solve it...to the satisfaction of your members and thier families. I bet if polled, they're rather keep their jobs than go on Pogie.
Matt
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They need to look at the situation as it exists today.
Chrysler will not exist unless significant changes are made by all.
The employees (CAW and nonunion) have the greatest interest in a successful restructuring, not because it will be better, but because if they fail, it will be MUCH MUCH worse for them.
The owners would like a profitable company, but unless they convince someone to help, there isn't much they can do.
Unfortunately they need to realize that the rest of the parties don't have the same interest.
Every day Chrysler loses more money, the debt holders would be better off getting pennies on the dollar today, than getting even less if the restructuring doesn't work. The debt holders actually have an incentive to liquidate Chrysler and get as much money as soon as they can.
Most Canadians don't care about the future of Chrysler, someone else can make cars.
In the current economy there is almost NO support for any tax dollars to support the much higher than market compensation autoworkers get.
It's a tough situation, one everyone would rather not exist, but it does, and some tough choices need to be made.
Personally I want a competitive Chrysler to return, one that won't be dependent on corporate welfare.
T Man
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Jane from Ottawa
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In my opinion, Chrysler or GM hasn't made a vehicle I would purchase for years. Get your marketing people out there to find out why people are not buying your cars.
I went to a foreign car years ago because their safe, fuel efficient and nice looking. Price was not my first consideration.
Mandosa
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Very commendable Mr. Lewanza considering that THE CAW HAS NEVER SHOWN AN OUNCE OF FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY!
Poor Mr. Lewanze is watching his beloved CAW empire crumble before his very eyes. And I for one am loving it. This is long overdue.
JD
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The issue here is Ken that your union is not in 'bargaining negotiations' - your unions is fighting for its life! This talk of not being reasonable is stupid off the scale. Give them what they want, keep your workers out of the soup kitchens and start building cars and trucks that people want to buy. Then once the company is healthy again go on strike and get your wages back up. This whole thing is like debating water conservation when your house is on fire - do what it takes to save your house today and worry about getting back your spa days and free legal services et al later.
They are demanding the band play their tune as the Titanic is sinking.
Chris in Sudbury
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Al in Ontario
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I've seen it happen before, the union folks only come to their senses after the company decides to move production out of the country, and these decisions are hardly ever reversed.
Shoe
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Sheesh...
Typical union, place the blame on others, rather than your own selfishness...
Jim McCorkle, Medicine Hat AB
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Paul in Ajax
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Bill. Ontario.
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"with age comes wisdom", think about it guy's.
ak
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Im in the wrong industry.
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sdgreen, North Saanich BC
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Government should NOT bail out private pensions to the tune that CAW wants, such is totally unfair to those taxpayers who do not have a pension. Hourly wages are one thing, but the cost of added benefits in the auto industry are just too rich.
Smart Investor
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Standing at a photocopier issuing cheques or money with NO PRODUCTIVE value is inflationary policy. Economics for Dummies. Duh.
Kevin in Vancouver
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Lewenza has his head up his.......
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Dave in Toronto
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Margaret
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But, it is the unionized workers that are paying the price for corporate greed and uncontrolled consumerism.
KP
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d archambeau
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Andrew
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Bryce Code, Calgary
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Tim Oshawa
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Do you want the members to work ...or be unemployed ? The call is yours Ken.
I am sure the people would rather take a cut in and pay and have a job. Now if the workers didn't have to pay all those CAW Dues they would have a nice savings there also.. Hint Hint !
Problem Solved :
CAW goes on EI ....
The people keep their jobs !
Ken ? are you working for a BUCK A YEAR to help out ?
richard calgary
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A. Bica
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It's all about poor management not labour costs. Perhaps the multimillion dollar salaries and bonuses paid to these executive jokers for their lack of foresight should be recovered first.
RobO
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Yes Ken you and your gene pool will have to pay this one yourselfs.
Suzanne
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Joe
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Tim Oshawa ... RIP ...CAW
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Your on a dead end street talking to Lewenza ...
Chrysler do as the CAW has done to you... hit them where it counts ..
The POCKET BOOK !!!
CPO
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John (Winnipeg)
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The unions have been holding the gun at the American Car Manufacturer for decades. The Car Manufacturers had no choice but to give in to union demands till now.
Mr. Lewenza! Please smarten-up.
Elise
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Tom
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kate
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dave
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RL88
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sick_and_tired
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The auto company allowing these huge concessions from the unions in the first place - these people make an extreme amount of money for their skill level. Why should the company be paying them better than the average worker.
Society for saying it's ok for the unions to suck all these concessions out of the company and other organizations. These people get used to their huge compansation packages and then when the country goes into recession and the rest of us are having to take salary cuts etc to keep a company afloat these guys keep on making their handsome salaries.
CAW get with the 21 century - you should get paid for what you are worth - not what can be sucked out of a company.
On the other hand if someone can get me a really nice union job with pension, benefits, vacation pay, etc - let me know ok? I am tired of being unemployeed on EI...
Mike N
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Why do taxpayers have to be responsible for a private company's pension plan? That's outrageous.
Erwin
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And as for the 7% cost of labour - many of the parts suppliers are also CAW workers with similar wages. How much do their wages contribute to the cost of vehicles? The big 3 are really only vehicle assemblers - the labour costs of the parts suppliers are part of the equation too.
sick_and_tired
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I have to tell you these guys all dress the same and grease their hair baack in the same way - real grease-balls - Ugh...
They look like some gangsters from the 1920's! I think if they had to go and get real jobs they would never get one. Who wants a gangster working for them?
steve
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DanWilliams
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You are unfortunately in the majority of brain-dead commenter’s that speak and know not what you speak of.
Dan Williams
Waterloo
WestofTheRockies
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Why should the Bondholders and Government (us) give up more? They've invested a lot already and they expect a return. What are you suggesting? They give Chrysler more money to continue to pay your workers more money than Honda or Toyota workers get, to continue turning out Chryslers at no profit? Huh???
Quit using G.M. as an example of your negotiating skills, they’re on the same boat as you, and it’s sinking. Who cares who drowns first, you’re going to drown.
Other than turning up for work every day & doing your jobs, you & your union brothers & sisters have nothing invested except time, and you've been handsomely compensated for that investment every 2 weeks.
What matters now is what are you going to do to prevent the ship from going down for good? Pointing fingers never saved anything!
Wake up, start talking to people, come up with some ideas to help but pleeeeeeease stop trying to bully everyone into supporting your ridiculous demands.
Sharon in Regina
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jp from ns
said
BYE bye caw 70. an hour wow
shame on you CAW
greedy greedy greedy
Al
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Gord
said
Also for what it's worth, both auto industry execs and CAW/UAW labour are equally to blame for allowing their labour and legacy costs to get so far out of whack from that of the Asians. The Big 3 are getting killed by the competition and that's been apparent for some time. Wake up and smell the coffee folks.
duck
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Marc in Trenton
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Taylor
said
By the way i drive a Masda. ZOOM ZOOM.
Edwin from Toronto
said
Auto bailout = reduced help to other poorer average canadians
We need to have better use of money to save poorer canadians average making less than $20/hr.
Neil, eastern townships , Qc
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Dan W
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Dan W
Waterloo
guppies
said
Is between the CAW and the auto Manuf.
Don't tell me the rest of the Canadian who pay tax and Avg. making less than $20.00 or even less than that to help them putting steak on the table every nite. Since they think hamburger is not good enough.
Go get a life, correct a year of EI and see you are any better off with no income.
Edwin from Toronto
said
Any employee of any company that has been mis-managed for years will find themselves in a similar boat.
They are free to say no and walk away and save the tax payers a load of dough.
B. Kelley, Ontario
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Rollback in BC
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Dennis P
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Matt
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But it isn't my fault either, and I don't want to pay to fix it.
Edwin from Toronto
said
It would be a waste of taxpayer money.
In this case, I'd rather see the money go into retraining the individuals.
Either way, Canadians are more interested in seeing the tax money be properly invested and not just thrown away carelessly.
So while it may seem callous to wish for bankruptcy, as that being a likely case, we should deal with realities and make decisions upon those realities.
Lee
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gord
said
It's not are fault you didn't work at G.M.
Wouldn't that be nice if after 40 years of service thinking it's time to enjoy your pension that you paid...yes paid into you now will lose and have nothing.
Because of a Government that
allowed a company to use a
guaranteed pension fund for there own spending and lose it all.Once again thank you very much...
What goes around comes around.
PB - Toronto
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-_-
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I think it's time that the union takes a hint or be forced to take a hike (not a hike in pay).
Dave - ON
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Dan from Northern Ont
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ecaldwell
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Steve in Toronto
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Joe
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Take the pay cut, or have no job. Simple as that. Pretty sick that when other people are making shit or have no job at all that this guy has the gall to open his fat mouth complaining about how bad auto-workers have it. Take the red pill GAW and enter the REAL WORLD.
Rob
said
CAW needs to be disbanded! Labour Laws and regulations in Canada are in place to protect the workers, the union has no place in modern Canada! The CAW will be the death to all unions in Canada.
yoshi
said
If CAW is willing to make adjustment during bad times, I am sure they will have the support of the public during good times.
Don't be so stubborn.... you guys are making poor quality car that starts hearing funny noise after 3 years or 40000km.
Jean Doe
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Peter Gallantry
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Philip
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The Hammer
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GP
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The question is will the CAW make the final bad choices of their own, or realize we are past the point of caring and everyone needs to start fresh before it’s too late. If the CAW does continue on its course to self destruction can you please tell me what the difference is between the CAW management and those corporate management idiots that got us here.
Same crap...different pile.
robert
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buffalojump
said
Their pension guarantees should NOT be any more than others in Ontario.
Bill
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Jo
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Don Regina
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Pierre
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you're back at square one guys.... either at the bargainig table or the unemployment line... so choose quick.
JHL
said
The whole scenario is taking a nightmarish extremely stressful and devastating toll on the taxpayers. Do we not have enough to worry about already, like simply making ends meet? Chrysler sees this as a golden opportunity to cut wages, which the union vehemently opposes because they think the government will bail out Chrysler forever. And it is the poor taxpayers, most of whom don't even HAVE pension plans (since most employers don't provide them) who are caught in the middle. It is not right for the CAW to claim it is "community- minded" when the only community it cares about is ITSELF. The fact is, even IF the taxpayers ended up paying for JUST the pensions, how does the CAW think we would ever have enough money to buy cars of ANY kind which would result in even fewer sales, which would result in more layoffs?
GONE are the days when, if you got a job at the former "big 3", you would be set for your entire life. Such a thing must NEVER be allowed to happen again. The CAW was stupid to demand the whole concept, and the car companies were just as stupid to go along with it.
Let's just pull the plug and put these 2 bodies out of their misery. Forever.
Rose
said
Did you know that military personnel who fight for your freedom once retired and collect old age pension have their retirement pension clawed back by the government. They actually take money away. Government officials don't claw back their pensions. Now talk about unfair. FIGHT FOR RETIRED MILITARY PERSONNEL TO KEEP THEIR PENSIONS AND NOT FOR CAW MEMBERS.
Buck-Niagara
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WestofTheRockies
said
The reason, Toyota, Honda & others don't have legacy costs has nothing to do with how long they've been here. They opened plants & hired people with the knowledge they didn't have these gold-plated benifits.
They said here is a percentage extra, you contribute this + your own
to your own plan or RRSP.
They do a pretty good job of retaining people and provide lots of other benifits like day care help, community centers, social committees, etc.
Amazing what happens when you have a relationship based on reason & respect.
And look at the end result ...... good quality products.
Amazing eh??
Pay attention Kenny!
Jonathan from Saskatoon.
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GLM
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Colin
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vinnie
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Joe
said
Ken doesn't understand that it is either $19 hour cut or he will have some very angry fired former CAW employees to deal with it seems.
John
said
SAY NO TO CONCESSIONS!!!!
Wanda H
said
Great post, I loved how it was written, and it's great to finally find someone on this board who knows what they're talking about! Too bad 183 of these posts are based on pure fiction and misleading information from the press!
MAL
said
10,000 well paying jobs or 10,000 folks on EI. Simple choice, take the cuts people.
And I concur with the opinion that has floated through many stories that if Chrysler shuts down the employees should not get EI since they are in effect refusing a job offer. That is the rule after all, but if Chrysler does go under then they should not be allowed to sell in Canada.
BTW, I drive a 2000 neon. My first Chrysler. It's had 3 serious repairs due to faulty design costing thousands..... the Union didn't bankrupt Chrysler, shoddy product did.
Mar C
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Mark Walsh
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not impressed
said
My Mom makes less than half of these people working for a company that makes parts for them and she survives by living within her means.
Unfortunately she will lose her job if these clowns don't come down to reality and take the wage cut.
I worked for Toyota during the summers while I was in school and building cars is not difficult. Any monkey can build a car.
Joe from Ontario
said
A CAW Worker
said
Honda Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Nissan Motor Co., Ford Motor Co. followed Toyota and Chrysler, with a productivity gap of no more than 3.5 hours, down from a gap of as much as eight hours five years ago. Hyundai Motor Co., whose Montgomery, Ala., plant was participating in the report for the first time, had the lowest productivity rate of 35.10 hours per vehicle.
Using the most recent Harbor Report, Chrysler is as productive as Toyota. Toytota has about a $600 per car advantage over Chrysler. Honda and Nissan about $300. Chrysler has an advantage of $260 over GM and Ford. So lets assume Chrysler gets the union down to $57 all-in. Chrysler and Toyota now tied, an advantage of $200 over Nissan and Honda, and advantage of roughly $600 over Ford and Chrysler. Now give Ford and GM the same cuts, and suddenly our Big 3 are looking a whole lot better.
Makes sense Ken, just do it.