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CTV News: Graham Richardson on the deadline
With a deadline fast approaching, the CAW and Chrysler met to discuss the do-or-die negotiations set out by the struggling auto giant, but the head of the CAW says the government and the company is doing little to support its workers.
CTV Toronto: Tom Hayes speaks exclusively with the CAW's Ken Lewenza
Make-or-break talks are underway between the CAW and Chrysler over the level of concessions needed to keep the company operating in Canada. Tom Hayes reports.
CTV Newsnet: Richard Cooper, JD Power and Associates, on what pressures the union and company face
The executive director of JD Power and Associates says there is not a lot of time left for save Chrysler. He suggests the government and company aren't ganging up on the CAW but responding to pressure 'from all sides.'
CTV Newsnet: Gerry Fedchun, Automotive Parts Manufacturers Association president
Fedchun explains that the car giant has no third option besides meeting Fiat's conditions for a merger or it will face bankruptcy, making negotiations with the CAW that much more important.
CTV Newsnet: BNN's Amanda Lang on the ongoing negotiations between CAW and Chrysler
Markets took a tumble on Monday as U.S. banks reported a rise in loan losses. Meanwhile, CAW negotiations with Chrysler took on a more conciliatory tone as the two went back to the negotiating table.
CTV Newsnet: Charlotte Yates, labour analyst, McMaster University, on whether union concessions will save Chrysler
Regardless of a deal with the CAW, one analyst thinks Chrysler will likely end up in bankruptcy even if it's a 'surgical bankruptcy,' as labour costs don't make a large enough percentage of costs.
CTV Newsnet: BNN's Michael Kane on the CAW talks and that labour cost cuts might not be enough to save the company
The CAW says it was counting on an agreement that had been made with Chrysler before further government demands, and that labour cuts may not be enough to save the company.
CTV Toronto extended: CAW President Ken Lewenza speaks in Toronto on the state of talks with Chrysler
The president of the Canadian Auto Workers updates the public on the state of the talks with Chrysler Canada.

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Date: Monday Apr. 20, 2009 7:59 PM ET

The Canadian Auto Workers and Chrysler Canada had begun a marathon bargaining session critical to the company's future in Ontario -- and steady pay cheques for about 9,000 hourly workers.

CAW president Ken Lewenza told CTV Toronto on Monday before going into the negotiations that Chrysler's position that the union must agree to a total of $19 per hour in wages and benefits is not bargaining.

"I was quite surprised that Chrysler drew this line in the sand," he said.

Chrysler claims total compensation is about $76 per hour when wages and benefits are lumped together, but there is some dispute between the two sides over that figure.

Lewenza said he couldn't see his union agreeing to such a steep cut, but also said he didn't want to speculate about what might happen if no deal can be reached.

The negotiations on labour concessions are a final step to try and save the automaker from bankruptcy or even liquidation.

Chrysler has until the end of the month to give the provincial and federal governments a business restructuring plan that will show the company can rebuild itself with the help of government loans.

Earlier Monday, Lewenza said he resents criticism that his members are unwilling to budge in their do-or-die negotiations with Chrysler Canada.

He told a news conference that the CAW has shown more flexibility in its negotiations than ever before in the organization's history and that it's time people stopped blaming the union for the auto industry's troubles.

"There's not one single financial analyst out there that will say to you today that seven per cent of the manufacturing industry's entire labour cost will be the determining factor of whether (the struggling companies) stay open or not," he said.

"Seven per cent of the total labour cost is getting 100 per cent of the criticism," he added.

He said instead the focus should be on the "billions of dollars in transactions between bondholders and the government."

The GM deal

Last week, Lewenza promised the union wouldn't concede to any more wage cuts than it did in their agreement with General Motors.

The GM agreement is estimated to save that automaker about $7 an hour per worker, something that General Motors Corp. CEO Fritz Henderson said put the compensation figure at a competitive rate.

Lewenza said his members would help Chrysler find other ways to save money.

On Monday, however, he admitted the situation is "shifting enormously" and said he is keeping a close eye on how negotiations unfold in the U.S. between Chrysler and the United Auto Workers union.

But Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne told The Globe and Mail last week that his company will renege on a proposed partnership with Chrysler if the CAW doesn't agree to the cut.

Lewenza reiterated on Monday that the CAW had given up hundreds of millions of dollars in concessions already and that it was time the company look elsewhere to cut costs.

He said he had received calls from representatives of both the provincial and federal government urging him to reach a deal with Chrysler quickly.

"It's frustrating but we'll get through it," he said.

Auto industry analyst Charlotte Yates said Monday that Chrysler is taking advantage of the heavy political pressure facing the union to frighten members into thinking the company will fold if they don't agree to concessions.

"We have to understand that this is a political issue, as well," Yates, of McMaster University, told CTV Newsnet. "I think the company sees this as an opportunity to restructure and to get what it can out of the union and then, wow, how lucky can they be but Fiat, as well as our own government, comes in and says to the CAW you have to do this."

Yates said even if Chrysler wins union concessions and issues a plan by the deadline, the company will likely end up in bankruptcy, even if for a short period, to recalibrate its finances.

The federal and Ontario governments have already loaned Chrysler Canda $750 million of $1 billion promised.

GM has $3 billion to draw upon when needed.

Michael Bryant, Ontario's economic development minister, said all stakeholders must make concessions to get a deal done.

"It is absolutely the case that everybody has to come to the table. There has to be equality of sacrifice," Bryant said. "I'm hopeful that that's going to happen."

Workers 'insecure'

Lewenza began the news conference pleading with Canadian governments to give pension protection the same priority it gave the banking industry at the start of the recession.

He said the Ontario budget made some clear promises about working with the federal government to enhance the pension plan.

Since then, the province has made workers feel "insecure" with speculation that the Ontario Pension Benefits Guarantee Fund is not substantial enough to protect auto industry pensioners who are at risk of losing their job, Lewenza said.

The pension fund has about $100 million available. That fund provides pensioners in every industry with up to $1,000 per month in case a private pension plan fails.

But the pension liabilities of the flailing auto industry runs into the billions.

Lewenza said Monday that governments have a responsibility to make sure that pensions "are adequate moving forward."

With a report from CTV Toronto's Tom Hayes and files from The Canadian Press


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Badly managed corporations are collapsing.
said

It's unfortunate for all concerned.

The workers who lose their jobs will have to adjust, with the help of unemployment insurance, severance, retraining, perhaps welfare.

Companies that have been doing business with Chrysler and GM may also go out of operation.

It's not up to working class people to put themselves into poverty-level socioeconomic status just to preserve a corporation's existence.




RVH
said

How can it not be the workers fault, Every negotioation they are out ther picketing? (thats all auto companies) Seems strange to me. Don't blame others or your self for that matter. You take and take what they give you until now. The bubble has burst. Your building a product that we don't need or want. If you want your job, make the consessions or you'll find yourself at the back of the unemployment line


Randy, Ontario
said

Hey Ken,

Very simple, make concessions or you will all be out of work. The CAW can still make good wages but some of the extras (that no one else gets) have to go.

NO GOVERNMENT MONEY TO THESE COMPANIES...


James
said

As far as I'm concerned, EVERYONE that is involved should be ashamed of themselves. I've poured out buckets of blood, sweat and tears into my trade for the last 12yrs, started my own company, and I STILL can't even touch these people's salaries. For a three man crew, I charge HALF of what most of the CAW's make for an hourly wage. they should count themselves very lucky to have a job that pays them to watch a robot do %90 of their work, yet still earn 3X as much as the majority of truly "hard working" Canadian citizens.


enough is enough
said

Absolutely right Ken! Stop trying to blame this on the workers, they have given back, now it's time for someone else to give up. Even if these guys worked for minimum wage the corporations would ask for a pay cut, their neanderthalic thinking is sacrifice the blue collar workers (who helped build these companies into giants).


RCR
said

If you listen to Lewenza nothing is the unions fault. They sure didn't look in a negoiating moodwhen they were burning the letters from the company the other day.Do they think this company is kidding. For the life of me I can't understand how these people don't see what'sabout to happen to them. Like lemming follow Lewenza to the EI lines.


TVic
said

Lewenza may well be right but I have a feeling that the auto execs smell blood right now and they are going to go after every drop while the opportunity presents itself. Too bad it is not possible to claw back the exec wages too. All too many of them sure didn't earn thier keep.


AndyL
said

Is he kidding? Union are responsible for the downfall of manufacturing jobs in North America. Unions are no longer needed and should be disbanded. Mr. Lewenza, go and set up shop in China and Indonesia where unions are really needed.


JJ
said

No way should the Gov tell the union that it's pension plan will be covered. The Union at it's greedyness is not going to help the people who gave them the job by reducing it's labour cost and take a pay reduction. When it all comes crubbling down the CAW will blame the Company and most of all the PC Gov for failing to keep them going.. but not themselves. There is no tear in my beer for you greedy , non highly educated line workers and remember ui is only for 6 months, tell that to your union rep. PS you will find them living off thier 6 figure severance package some where besides Canada.


Graham
said

The fact that the billions in profits the Big 3 have raked in over time and yet have underfunded their contractual and legally binding obligations to the employees pension fund tells you enough about the management of the Big 3 and how they operate. There has been little or no discussion on the topic of bondholder concessions or management jobs and ecessive compensation. To direct all the rage at the workers, who only contribute to 7 % of the total production costs of vehicles is naive and ideological. The Big 3 refused to put profits into R & D for new age vehicles and now are behind the 8-ball. Are the CAW workers over paid- based on their skills ?- sure. But the real culprit is corporations themselves as they have sucked the money from us consumers on, over priced, under engineered vehicles and those profits/monies have gone straight to their bank accounts,through exceedingly generous salaries, bonuses and stock options. The fact us tapayers have to extend a lifeline to these leeches while at the same time they drive/stir up public dissidence towards the unions, is all smoke and mirrors. Let's wake up citizens and acknowledge where the problem truly lies and get on with ALL vested parties getting their fair share of the haircutting that needs to occur.


Canada Matters
said

Stay strong Kenny...I am on your side and I am NOT a CAW or any other Union member!!


Rich in Aurora
said

Yeah right! I'm sick of these over-paid bolt turners telling us taxpayers that we need to make up the shortfall that their insane wages/pensions created. Time to reap what you sow boys! The rest of us don't have it that good, so why should we pay to make sure you continue to have it better? It's time for our Conservative government to start being conservative and let these guys sink or swim on their own.


Ivan
said

Who really cares who's to blame for the current state of the auto industry. The real point is what will people do to resolve the situation. Finger pointing fingers does nothing.


NotAnAutoWorker-JustaDriver
said

Who do you trust?

Fiat wants to invest in Chrysler only if the workers give up everything.

Chrysler builds crap. How much better will their vehicles be if their workers are totally disenfranchised?

I hear the death knell for this company. How much will this government throw at a sinking ship?



Larry NL
said

The treatment that the CAW is getting now is almost the same as how they treated their employers when they negotiated contracts in the good old days.
The only difference now, is that their employers are REALLY up against the wall and the the unions put them there.
Rolling back wages is the way to go. Only the CAW members could afford the product that they are producing.


dna in NS
said

Everyone involved with Chrysler including the CAW has to step up and take major concessions in order to keep Chrysler alive. Failure to do so will likley result in the bankruptcy of Chrysler and the loss of most of if not all of the Chrysler / CAW jobs in Canada. There are not many sectors of the manufacturing industry where such generous wages and benefits are paid except the auto sector. If these workers loose their jobs, they will likely never find another job in Canada that offers similiar pay or benefits in their lifetimes. The effect on their respective pension plans will also likely be devasting. The CAW has little to gain and so much to loose if it continues down its current path.


matt - oshawa
said

AT LEAST SHARE THE BLAME!

Perhaps hourly wages only represent 7% as the CAW goons keep telling us and perhaps there are some savings to be had elsewhere. BUT - the time has come where you CAW slugs need to admit that you are grossly over paid and have a benefit package in need of trimming. $5000 per kid for tuition, legal fees, health care for US travel, SPA weeks - just to name a few! I've been in Oshawa car and truck assembly, and I've been in Chrysler Brampton. I know what it is you do and I know for a fact there would be line ups for miles to do those jobs at the rate Fiat in proposing.


Terrence from Brampton
said

Mr. Lewenza,

You and the Union are indeed not soley to blaim for Chrysler's issues with such things as poor quality, expensive vehicles, and poor fuel economy but you are also not helping the situation. The company in the short term requires this deal with FIAT and the government in order to survive. So take the short term pain for your own unions long term survival. People will adjust with less money now and if the company survives and becomes healthy again, you can negotiate some benefits back. Why cant you get this through your thick skull.

There are only two scenarios here. You make concessions and Chrysler and the Union survive, or the deal goes south, Chrysler goes bankrupt and makes a deal in the U.S forgoing Canadian operation thus costing thousands of your Union Jobs


Robert Brise
said

Pension Funds??

All we hear about is that the Government has money to protect the Caw workers in case of a layoff or loss of Job?
Where the heck has the Private pension money , that the workers paid into gone, Or was that another Big 3 giveaway?


TK
said

What is worse? A little pay cut or on pay at all. Lets ask how much the union makes.


Terry in Ottawa
said

It is time for the CAW to stop their appeal to the people through the media and work with the Companies. Do not look to Fed and Prov Taxes to keep the industry going. If a company cannot sustain itself it should not continue in it's present form. Keep the politics out of it and work with the companies!


CAW not helping their own cause
said

The government is NOT in the business to protect pension investments. Individuals need to be responsible for their own retirement planning not depend on bailouts.

The CAW has NO credibility at all and is like a bad hemorrhoid on our economy we just wish it would go away and leave us alone!


DGL
said

Of course the Union is partially to blame - they negotiated the lucrative contracts for the employees. I understand why the Union doesn't want to go to parity with the non-unionized brethren over at Honda and Toyota. That would negate the very purpose and existence of the Union.


Brian
said

He's right, the union asked and the company agreed to give them the collective agreements over the years. Lee Iacocca was right in his book when he said this would come back to haunt the auto industry.


Dean
said

Typical event here. No one will accept any responsibility for anything anymore. Shut Chrysler down today and see what concessions Lewenza and his group will take in order to stay employed. That is not to say that there shouldn't be any concessions by the alleged management as well though. I wonder how stupid the union will be allowed to get before everyone calls their bluff and closes out the shop? I can hardly wait.


Al
said

Please please have mercy on us taxpayers and news followers, we are SICK of hearing news about the blame game of the " Pathetic 3", please just GO BANKRUPT and put an end to our misery.


liz ottawa
said

Ken Lewenza is clearly from another era, out of date with the times. all I keep hearing is labour is not the reason the cars cost so much. come again? last time I checked labour affected the final cost of something, it would have to. I think they should be lowering their wage package but also do some trimming at the top. those guys are way overpaid too and they havent done a good job of managing, obviously if the company is in financial difficulties. surprised there are not a zillion comments on here by now.


doodle4
said

Lewenza said Monday that governments have a responsibility to make sure that pensions "are adequate moving forward."

Moving forward?!

What 'bright light' started using this phrase "moving forward'. Everytime I read of someone using this phrase I cringe. I must see it ten times a day, if not more.
It sounds ridiculous. C'mon you herd of sheep, find another way to express yourself.



Blythe Ponsonby Smythe. Pickering.
said

Our thoughts and prayers are with them now.


Stéphane
said

Like many have said before in their replies. Would you rather take a pay cut or a job cut? It's the decision their going to have to come down too. I honestly think that $75 an hour is too much. They should agree on a reduction, or even a cap on their pay similar to the NHL did. You get paid more the better the company is doing. It is only fair.


A.H. Kingston
said

CAW have their heads in the sand still. Meanwhile Ken Lewenza will keep his big salary while his members are on the bread line.


DJ
said

Ken wake up while you still have a meaningful membership base and a job for yourself. This IS the starting point. Your members have too many perks and the company needs to demonstrate that they have a competative company. One that can easily turn and remain profitable. Right now there is too much money going out the window in insurance costs and massages. You are just lucky they didn't touch the golden parachutes that all your members get in the form of company paid pensions. If I were the CEO of Chrysler this is where I would begin. Make the members buy their own RRSP's like the rest of us have too. This is a game of chicken that Ken you have played before and I think you will lose. I just hope for the 10000+ workers that count on Chrysler Canada, not the CAW for a paycheque you will realise it and they will still have meaningful paycheques. EI does not pay that much!


Kevin Hickey
said

Let all 3 go belly up! Bankruptcy is the only way these companies and the CAW will be forced to changes ALL their practices. Only when they are forced to take direction from the courts will any accountability of funds be present and any real long term solutions be implemented.


dave ontario
said

you unions buy the chrysler if your so good at running things ,i can find lots of people out there that love to have your jobs at the cuts,with out your gold plated pensions


Margaret
said

I would really like to know where the "CAW has given up hundreds of millions of dollars in concessions already"

Can someone tell me what they gave up? Giving up sick days is not a "concession".Sick days are supposed to be used for when you are ill, not kept until you retire, so that you can retire 6 months early.....
Took a wage freeze...welcome to the real world....

I guess you really can negoitate your way OUT of a job,

good luck


Jon in Burl.
said

Lewenza keeps regurgetating the same old crap. We are not at fault, its managements fault, it shareholders fault, its bond holders fault, its my next door neighbours fault. its the dogs fault...Geez, guy give it up, you are about to put 10,000 people out of work and lord know how many satelite business's. It is time for you to talk straight to you members. 70% of something is a lot better than 100% of nothing. If you think that Fiat, Mr. Clement and the US is bluffing I think you have your head in the sand or elsewhere.
Listen to you at noon on CP 24, same old garbage from you.
I like many Canadians do want to see one dime of my money go to save your sorry behind.
You and your union got greedy over the last 10-15 years and know it is time to pony up.
With all this whining from GM and Chrysler the North American car I might look at is Ford.
Lat thing, where is all the union dues and what kind of contract/salary do you have?


Henry
said

Let Chrysler bankrupt and then the new buyers will rebuild Chrysler without the CAW. Majority of the auto workers will be out of the job but not the CAW. The auto workers should be questioning CAW instead of sitting in the back seat and wait.


Kim
said

ha ha ha ha "union not to blame" ha ha ha. I nearly shot coffee out my nose...


Peter in Ottawa
said

Unions still somehow think it is their God-Given right to retain employment at any cost to someone else.

It is simple CAW - if you don't offer enough to save your jobs, then there won't be any jobs to save.


r.larocque
said

Bargaining in good faith,what the hell is talking about.How does threatning a company with strikes causing companies to lose millions if they don't give in to there demands,qualify as good faith bargining...


Anne
said

Lets remember one thing Bob Rae (ie the Gov't) allowed this to happen when he said that the company did not have to properly fund their pension plans and now the Gov't needs to be accountable for their decisions.


Doug Rutherford, Whitehorse
said

I wonder why the union is responsible for the failure of a company whose approach to meeting the demand for higher fuel efficiency was to bring back the Hemi.

The workers are not the ones responsible here. Completely incompetent management is the reason why Chrysler is going down the tubes. I wonder who ties their senior managment's shoes for them before the leave the house in the morning.


marty
said

I guess they would all rather be out of work.


Anne
said

I personally think it is not the "CAW Union" for this whole mess that they are in.I personally think it's the "United States"!!!Remember,what-ever happens in the States effects Canada too!I do feel though,that GM should claim bankruptcy!They are not the only BIG company that is struggling!Everyone is struggling out there with this bad recession that we are in!


nc
said

I would go for keeping the hourly wages and reduce some of the benefit perks. I would save the pensions. Pensions are in effect deferred wages.
One thing learned from this, is that people should be vigilant about their bread and butter issues.
Now the auto industry can't afford the pensions or the benefits. Because no one paid attention to what was actually being done.
The provincial govt. can't guarantee the pensions nor can the auto companies ot the union.


Bill
said

To Robert Brise

The Chrysler employee pensions are 100% funded by the company. The employees do not contribute to the plan. Who else gets this kind of employment perk?


edCP
said

What basic education does Lewenza have? What is hard about this equation?
No concessions - no jobs!
Is that really hard to understand?


James
said

Send the CAW packing. Then lets see what the members line up for (jobs) and are willing to work vs. sitting unemployed. Reality is about to come home to Ontario and the CAW - the dream is over - get over it. The union leaders have just priced you fellows out of work. Good stuff!


Cambob
said

This is not the unions fault!
This is YOUR fault. All of you who have not bought a new car this year, and every year. All of you who dared to by a car from a non-union company. All of you who wanted a better deal for your money!
The government basically stepped in and said "If consumers won't buy your cars, then taxpayers will!" (except of course, not a single taxpayer is going to get a car from the billions given to these unionized foreign owned car companies)
So there you have it. It's YOUR fault that on your wage and with your tax level you can't afford a new car every year. leave these poor unionized workers alone! All this stress might force some of them to use up thier spa days!!!


DaveEast
said

The CAW stil doen't get it. One can only hope the workers chuck these demogogues out before they cost Canada a car company.

Listen, Mr. Lewenza, the blame game is no longer relevant. All that is relevant is the deal you intend to strike with Chrysler (if you will pardon that word...) You want to save the livelihoods of the workers who wrongly have entrusted their futures to you? Then agree to a package that will do so. You want instead to score debating points, and blame all and sundry for the current woes of Chrysler/GM? Bully for you! But you know of course that you are sacrificing every Canadian Chrysler job just to prove it "wasn't you".

You want us to guarantee pensions, prop up your Golden Goose, and sympathize with you about how hard done by the CAW is? Won't happen.

If you WEREN'T the villain in this charade before, you are fast becoming one.


They're not just bolt-turners.
said

Auto workers are: electricians, mechanics, plumbers, machinists, computer programmers, and many other skilled tradespeople.

No, I'm not a union member.

But I appreciate the importance of the skilled trades in an economy that hopes to be prosperous.

Some of you bitter people need to put more energy into upgrading skill sets and less energy into jealous carping about fellow workers.




MikeLondon
said

There are comments posted here about the "big 3." Ford is not taking goverment money, that is GM and Chrysler. Ford is not on the verge of bankruptcy. GM and Chrysler are.


Who gave the union workers the crazy benefits?
said

Crazy company management.

No bailouts for corporate welfare bums.


Terry in Ottawa
said

The time is long past when the two problem companies should have been allowed or forced to go into Bankruptsy Protection. Allowing both Companies and Unions to get political only makes the issue more public than it needs to be. Government should not prolong the process and force both into the Bankruptsy process ASAP.


Steve the Pundit
said

So Lewenza is telling management that "...the CAW (has) given up hundreds of millions of dollars in concessions already and that it was time the company look elsewhere to cut costs."

That's like sailors on the Titanic saying "We've done all the bailing we want, now we're tired, it's somebody else's turn". It doesn't change the fact the ship is still sinking and needs "all hands on deck" going full-out to prevent it from going under.

When will Lewenza get it through his skull that, even it it is "only seven percent", wage costs must be brought into line to even give the venture even a CHANCE of succeeding in the long term. Most of the other major costs are "FIXED" (factories, debt), they need to invest heavily in new product development, and they can't save money by reducing the quality of parts and components, so that leaves wages as one of the few so-called "VARIABLE" components (of course, in the CAW's "jobs for life" culture, there should be no variability when it comes to their piece of the pie).

Make whatever deal is necessary, Ken to save your members livelihoods; you have less than 10 days to do the right thing, or forever be branded as the iceberg that sank the auto industry in Canada...


Jake former resident of Ontario
said

CAW is the problem!


Pete, Burlington
said

Nice try Kenny!!!

Its not going to wash though as every opinion poll shows that the people of Canada have woken up to what a terrible disservice the unions have done to our nation with their continual greed.

There is no point blaming anyone but yourselves for this mess. $7/hr doesn't go nearly far enough and the only reason that the CAW wants to avoid reality is because they know that if everyone made the same wage as a Toyota lineworker then they would not want to pay dues to the union every week and Kenny and his buddies would be in the unemployment line.

The North American car industry has for too long bowed down to unions and produced cars that people don't want. GM and Ford have some great European designs that compete well with the Japanese and the other European models and I am sure they could move these over here if they could get the deals done.

C'mon Kenny, do what is right for your members and the nation and get the deal done at whatever price to save the jobs and then accept that the workers will decertify and join the 21st century. Unions were needed at one time, but not anymore.


MRC in Ontario
said

To the CAW,
What is so unreasonable about making the same amount of money, which is quite generous, as a Canadian Toyota or Honda assembly line employee?

Until you answer that very reasonable question, straight up, your whole greedy union should collapse.


P.S. Is anyone aware that GM cut 50% of their Canadian engineering staff within the last few years? Yes, FIFTY percent! Don't hear the poor engineers crying the blues on national/international television, do you? While they have every right to be heard just as much as Ken Lewenza, do you know why they don't make a fuss?...Because they have TRANSFERRABLE SKILLS & ATTITUDES.


Joey Steeves
said

Send all the CAW union workers pcking. Let them find out that earning 30 bucks an hour doing nothing is reality.

Put all thise quebec prisoners on 12 hour rotating shifts in the plants instead of using tax dollars.

Solves overcrowding and saves Chrysler.


Brent - Penticton, BC
said

Well, let's see. The CAW and rank and file are refusing a $19/hr cut, as they are not to blame for Chrysler's problems. I guess they think they can get a better deal from the Government(s). Do the math CAW, EI isn't anywhere close to your total salary package, but EI is what you will end up with. Let's see if you understand this: NO BAILOUTS!!!!!


Hal
said

CAW Union Members:

You are not getting any more of my money. If the Feds or Prov. govt's try to support your pensions when most Ontario taxpayers don't have a pension, the govt's will be blackballed from office. Time for you guys to grow up or join the unemployment line!


Porky in Vancouver
said

Just let Chrysler go down the tube. The CAW members can get in touch with reality when they test the job market...a day late and a dollar short


Terry S.
said

I am a big supporter of unions in general but the CAW has been a run away train for far too long. The sense of entitlement held by the union and it's members is appauling.

It hurts to take such a massive cut but if the choice is that or owning a house and living in a town where unemployment suddenly skyrockets to 50% or more and completely LOOSING your job, I'd be willing to talk.

The workers are not to blame for their companies mismanagement that led to this point but now they have to pay the price. If they are not willing to work for a reasonable wage, one that isn't more than DOUBLE what most would make in a similar job then they loose everything and Canada looses as well.




Sparky
said

There is only 1 reason this problem exists. It is short term management. They made concession after concession when times were good (or at least better) and now it's time to pay the bill. I'm sympathetic to both sides. But when you are in a do or die situation, start with concessions at the top. Let the workers see what's being conceded by all levels, then let them decide if they want to particpate in efforts to make the corporation viable. If they could take some comfort knowing the executive levels (even middle to high level management) were taking MAJOR salary hits, then the average guy may be OK with $19 per hour. It's a hard pill to swallow when they are asking you to reduce from $40 an hour to $20 an hour so they can make $5 Million per year!!!!! Start at the top.....


anti-union
said

Let's see.

Unioners are overpaid. Quality of product is poor. No one buying their vehicles....threat of bankruptcy...burn documentation that they we won't concede anything (only a slight pay decrease)...

Probably why I am happy with my Toyota, Volkswagen, Subuaru and Honda that are sitting in my driveway.

Perhaps....lower wages for unioners, better quality product, lose the attitude (hey, why not work together for a solution) and perhaps once the quality is comparable, I have not problem going back to the GM, Fords and Chryslers I used to own.....


Doug BC
said

I tend to agree.It would be folley to place ALL the blame on the CAW.But it's also ridiculous to say they are not a PART of the problem.Their compensation is obscene considering their skill sets.But the fact that they have managed to get these companies to sign these contracts reflects poorly on management as well.
Lewenza claims that the "CAW has shown more flexibility in their negotiations than ever before in the organizations history". No kidding? Isn't that a bit like being the best bobsledder in all of Jamaica??
No.Unions have NOT been the cause of the demise of the North American economy.I support MOST unions,MOST of the time.But that issue is not a zero summ game.There are many responsible unions all over the world.I just don't think the CAW falls into that category.
The trouble is,whether you have a union job,or you run your own company,once you are the highest costing producer in your field of expertise,your days are numbered.
The governments can help out here,but the MUST NOT sign on to a deal that sees tax dollars being used to subsidize the wages of the best paid workers in North America while they build vehicles no one wants,or no one needs.
The company,and the CAW have been asked to present a plan they can succeed with in the future.It's up to both of them.But governments MUST walk out in the absence of a road to profitability.


D.K.
said

I find this ironic that for years the CAW extorted their demands from the Detroit 3 with the tantrum of "give what I want or we will shut you down" attitude now Fiat comes and says give me what I want or I will shut you down and the CAW idiots resent it. Too bad these are your rules so play within them .


KW in Edmonton
said

Let these automakers go bankrupt so that we can start to build new, more efficient vehicles.

The union needs to be realistic, and management needs to have a cap on pay and bonuses if they continue to operate.

I would rather see them go bankrupt than pay to keep them alive.


John Boy
said

Enough already. Let these companies fall. Yes, a lot of people will be out of work, but not for long.

Toyota and Honda will open plants and will be looking for workers. They, however, will not be paying outrageous wages.


Lorne
said

Concessions! Concessions!
Both parties have to make major concessions.
We also don't have all the facts and just a lot of finger pointing.
Government should not be required to guarantee the pensions of workers.
It appears that the company was paying all pension benefits, health benefits and a portion of tuition fees, day care fees, etc.
But we really don't know for sure.
If this is the case, then it's time the workers started to contribute to these different plans, which might reduce the costs.
In addition, the company should cut salaries to it's executives, along with all the perks.
Also, the company will have to reduce the costs of vehicles, to the public, by a considerable margin, say 25%, in order to sell.
We all know this will not happen and as a result, the company is dead in the water!!


Mike from Concord
said

Hey Ken,
It is really simple, if you want any chance of keeping your members working then make concessions.
If you want your members collecting unemployment, then keep hanging tough, it will happen.


Son of Autoworker!
said

$75.00/HR !!!!!!!!! Enough Said


Gord
said

All this bleating is nothing more than finger pointing and brinksmanship. Bottom line Fiat said they'll walk and Mr. Clement refuses to pull out his chequebook again. Ongoing Chrysler negotiations with the CAW is meaningless since Chrysler without their Fiat white knight or another government government bailout is broke.

Public sympathy is nil since both the auto industry management and labour blew their crebibility with the general public long ago.


rediculouswages
said

seriously...I have a college education, a family, house, car, I work full time and make $12 an hour...you mean to tell me that these people who had their jobs handed to them because they know so-and-so can not take a $19/hour cut???..they would still be making $57/hour...I know a few professionals who save lives that do not make that much...the CAW makes me sick.....good job Ken.....poor baby.....


John
said

I'm tired of Lewenza. It's so simple it's stupid. Do you want a pay cheque at around the $50.00 per hour (loaded rate) or $0.00 per hour?

Make up your minds...the rest of us know what we would do if we were in your shoes.


Adam, Ottawa
said

Let the CAW continue its unrealistic and greedy demands. Once Chrysler goes into bankruptcy, if it isn't immediately liquidated, the Union will be told what it is working for instead of them dictating it to Chrysler (or whoever is controlling the funding). Take the concessions and be grateful that you will still have a very well paying job! And next time, buy RRSP's like the rest of us.


AJ
said

Why all this talk about bondholders giving up concessions?
Do you not understand what is going on?

Bondholders would not be bondholders if GM or the others did not issue them trying to raise money.

Why do they have to make any concessions, they have parked their money into a company that was supposed to be sucessful. They are not part of the cost structure like employees, they are not part of the bottom line.

The employees are part of the cost structure and if you have a company that can run lean; you will be attractive to more investment ie. bondholders and shareholders.

The bondholders had to PUT MONEY INTO THE COMPANY to get money out. They don't show up every day, watch some robots then go home 1 minute early every day. This is not limited to the union.

Employees are the ones to make concessions. If they do the company is more profitable, and unfortunately they are not profitable due to the large wages that the employees command.

Why don't you ask investors to intentionally lose money that they have put into the company, that is a good way to ensure no future investment, thus not allowing the company to raise funds, and you guessed it not be able to operate.

Putting you out of a job again!
Stop whining take the cut in benefits...it is the same pay anyway in most cases...so what that you have to pay for your kids college/university...I have to.
Suck it up, keep your job.


Mark
said

Right-the CAW sacred autoworker has their perks, early retirement, extended sick leave that can be used towards retirement, union assisted legal fees, coupons for new cars/trucks upon retirement and $75/hr (all in) to put on a screw, decal, or a bolt on a car.

...and they've 'sacrificed so much'. PUUHHLLEEEASE!!!!!!!!!

What is the educational requirement to do the above...grade 10?

Sorry Mr. Lewenza, that noise you hear is the door to your plant closing. This union is one of the most beligerant, aggressive and entitled there is. Times, they are a changing.


Roger T
said

Blame the executives as they are the ones who ran the corporation into a hole and the Union itself for crippling production everytime they don't get their demands.

Consumers have no faith in a dying brand which is plagued with so much problems.

Dismantle the Union and replace ALL the executives.


Mary-Anne from Toronto
said

Either they accept that they will have to contribute to their own health care costs, retirement, just like everybody else, or Chrysler goes bankrupt, Fiat buys the dealer network and maybe some technology and some brands and goes manufactoring the vehicles in Mexico or the USA, thus still being part of NAFTA.
Common guys! It's about saving your own jobs!


ik
said

As someone whose father worked GM, I can honestly say that the pensions can be cut back. The pensioners get an excess of $3000 per month + CPP + Old Age and if they are in a long term facility they also receive $1700 from GM for the costs. My father-in-law did not work in GM and his company pension was approx. $1000 per month. He lived in a senior's home and told us he had more than enough money and continued to put money into savings. I believe there is room for cuts but I also believe the top dogs need to take a cut.


Nick in Gatineau
said

According to the union, labor costs are 7 %. Next year, after a new collective bargaining agreement, that will be 8 %. The year after that, 9%. Etc.Etc. Etc.

The problem is that the profit margins are heading the other way. So as costs rise, profits falls.

It sounds ridiculous that companies are declairing 2 and 3 billion in profits, but that translates to a reduction in their profit margins. The moment they cross the 3 and 4 % threshold, see ya. Done like dinner.

And yes, it is precisely because of Unions that the 3 are in this mess because each bargaining agreement forces the unions to accept cuts in either pay or their number of workers, or... The prices of cars go up. Price goes up, sales go down.

The unions forced the 3 to jack-up the prices.

No bailout for them. Period.

Next.


Aristotle
said

The Canadian taxpayer (the many) cannot pay for the sins of (the few) misguided auto executives and unions who signed collective agreements assuming that the world would never change. Let me repeat for the CAW folks: the ont pension fund has 100 Million in it. The CAW pension liabilities stretch into the billions long term. Who does the CAW expect to pick up the difference for these gold plated non-employee funded pensions? (Even Member's of Parliament and govt workers pay into their own pension plan). If you negotiate a pension plan where a portion of company profits are rechurned into the employee's pension fund, it works. But once you remove the profit factor, then you have no more contributions. And tell me again why the taxpayer is obligated to make up the difference? Even a simple mathematician can figure out that 5-12 months of EI at $500 a month (taxable) is a lot cheaper than a 25+ year pension that for the most part wasn't even funded by the employee. (One hopes older workers did contribute something) To put it bluntly, the Canadian taxpayer didn't cause your downfall. Your exectives, your Board of Directors (including a CAW representative), a global slowdown, your company's failure to provide a modern viable choice to the the consumer and selfish stupidity coupled with a complete inability to see that a "rouge economic wave" was on the horizon caused your downfall. Where exactly does the Canadian taxpayer fit into this as the causal agent? It doesn't. And I for one, wish the CAW would stand up and accept some responsibility for their part in this. Passing the buck and the blame onto the average taxpayer (especially those with no company pension) shows complete disrespect.


Michael Magnus
said

Autoworkers, it is your own fault, all of you just take and take more benefits and more money. I am a student, and I have to go to school for 4 years and after I will get pay only 28$ per hour. If you don’t like that offer go back to school. It’s very easy to get pay 75$ per hour without education. Shame on all of you greedy!!!
Michael Magnus



Oscar in Ottawa
said

It may not be the cause but its sure not helping.

I'd imagine Ken Lewenza's job is not hanging in the balance while he "negotiates" with Chrysler. In the end if loosing your job vice taking a pay cut is better, you need your head examined.

Another thing, why is the rest of Canada being placed on the hook for the possible collapse of a private company's pensions? As a taxpayer I can't wait to pay these, union facilitated, overpaid people their inflated pensions.... give me a break.

Hey Ken, another thing, Canadian's are tired of hearing "It's not the CAW's fault" take some responsibility for your Union's "accomplishments" or lack there of.



Mr T, Ontario
said

Its pretty simple. When GM/Chrysler etc were doing well, the unions demanded higher and higher salaries and benefits. Now the reverse is true and the companies are demanding the reverse. Karma anyone?????

We live in a competitive society. If your competitors build the same car, but more profitably (i.e. same price/lower overheads) and better/more desirably (e.g. Honda/Toyota), then you have to adapt to compete (unions AND the company).

The time for jobs for life are long gone, just ask the Unions at Rover in England...


Raj
said

They are not 100% to blame, but they really do put the pressure on thse companies, and now during the hard times, we hear we are not going to change.Sad, unions had a place years ago, now, they are of no use.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

Bob Rae, and the provincial NDP at the time, should never have agreed to government backing CAW union pensions. What I don't want to see are union leaders on the Boards of private companies. We can't afford to bail out unions. If you look at what's happening in the US, the UAW will eventually have senior union members on boards of car companies, and probably in the banks as well as payback for getting Obama elected.


Reality
said

If you want a sustained pension plan, you need to negotiate in such a way as to keep the company you are working for in business. If this means taking a 50% cut for a year or so until they restructure, so be it. 100% of nothing will still be nothing. I suggest you give some very serious thought to your stubborness. This is not a bluff!


Al
said

From what I'm reading here it doesn't look much like the auto industry or the CAW has much support, and rightly so. The CAW just doesn't get it. If those concessions aren't made your members don't have a job because the automakers will pull the plug. You have a responsibility to your members to make concessions during bad times just as you have a responsibility to negotiate higher wages and benefits during good times.


Anderson D
said

Schadenfreude!!!!!!!!


John,Oshawa
said

To all the people bad mouthing the autoworkers. You should get your facts straight and stop making dumb comments on things you know nothing about. Sure the auto sector workers make a good wage and get great benifits, but do you think the companies would be stupid enough to sign these agreements if they couldn't afford. As for thoses who think that Toyota and Honda employees work for far less money, you couldn't be more wrong in your assumtion. They make the same money as the big three and get close to the same benifits as well. The big difference in cost is that Toyota and Honda haven't produced cars in this country long enough to pay out any pensions to their employees. As for the ones who say don't give "my" tax money to the auto sector. The people who work in this sector pay taxes as well, to the tune of about 17billion dollars every year, so its as much, if not more their tax money, than yours. You along with the government should be ashamed of your selves for turning your backs on your fellow citizens. if you want to support foreign car companies then move to the countries that they ship their profits to and give up your citizenship here. At least autoworkers support their coutry and citizens.


eddytoronto
said

By most accounts the Canadian economy is in serious trouble!

The bailout needs are growing with Car loans and Credit card debt were also securitized and sold.

As the economy worsens, credit card and car loan defaults are rising. Moreover, AIG needs more money from the government. Fannie Mae’s loss has widened despite the $200 billion bailout.


General Motors and Ford need taxpayer money to survive. General Motors says that its GMAÇ mortgage unit may not survive. Deutsche Bank sees General Motors shares as likely worthless.

Canadians do not understand is that the recession paradigm does not apply. There are no jobs waiting at US and Canadian manufacturers for a demand stimulus to pull Americans and Canadians back to work. The problem is not a liquidity problem. To the contrary, too much liquidity. Credit has grown far more than production. Indeed, U.S.and Canadian production has been moved offshore.


The work is gone. All that are left are credit card and mortgage debts!


Anyone who thinks that America and Canada still has a vibrant economy needs to Wake -Up Now!

Traditionally, debts that are beyond an economy’s ability to service are inflated away. This suggests that the coming depression will be an inflationary depression. Instead of falling prices mitigating the effects of falling employment, higher prices will go hand in hand with rising unemployment–a situation worse than the Great Depression.


Unregulated banksters and Wall St criminals, greedy CEOs, and a no-think economics profession have destroyed Canadas and America’s economy.







rod
said

3 words..Let Them Collapse


Allan Eizinas
said

I guess that Ken is correct.

It is managements’ fault for caving in and giving the unions all those concessions over the years after the CAW kept going out on strike.


eric
said

No matter who is to blame (and there is alot to go around) the CAW should realize that being bull headed at the expense of the workers will put thousands out of work. Then who wins?


Steve
said

Lemme put it simply...

CAW, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Whether or not your organization caused the current mess, you're not doing enough to solve it...to the satisfaction of your members and thier families. I bet if polled, they're rather keep their jobs than go on Pogie.


Matt
said

Why the focus on blame.
They need to look at the situation as it exists today.

Chrysler will not exist unless significant changes are made by all.

The employees (CAW and nonunion) have the greatest interest in a successful restructuring, not because it will be better, but because if they fail, it will be MUCH MUCH worse for them.
The owners would like a profitable company, but unless they convince someone to help, there isn't much they can do.

Unfortunately they need to realize that the rest of the parties don't have the same interest.
Every day Chrysler loses more money, the debt holders would be better off getting pennies on the dollar today, than getting even less if the restructuring doesn't work. The debt holders actually have an incentive to liquidate Chrysler and get as much money as soon as they can.

Most Canadians don't care about the future of Chrysler, someone else can make cars.
In the current economy there is almost NO support for any tax dollars to support the much higher than market compensation autoworkers get.

It's a tough situation, one everyone would rather not exist, but it does, and some tough choices need to be made.

Personally I want a competitive Chrysler to return, one that won't be dependent on corporate welfare.


T Man
said

If the CAW agrees to the 'cuts', does that equate to a drop in price for Chrysler cars/trucks/etc?


Jane from Ottawa
said

Okay, enough already. I just lost money from my pension and I'm not going after the government to get it back. I don't make 75$ an hour and I don't get spa weeks and I don't want my tax dollars going to people who do. Geez.

In my opinion, Chrysler or GM hasn't made a vehicle I would purchase for years. Get your marketing people out there to find out why people are not buying your cars.

I went to a foreign car years ago because their safe, fuel efficient and nice looking. Price was not my first consideration.


Mandosa
said

LOL. This is pure gold: "Ken Lewenza told a news conference Monday afternoon that the CAW has shown more flexibility in their negotiations than ever before in the organization's history"
Very commendable Mr. Lewanza considering that THE CAW HAS NEVER SHOWN AN OUNCE OF FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY!
Poor Mr. Lewanze is watching his beloved CAW empire crumble before his very eyes. And I for one am loving it. This is long overdue.



JD
said

Is the entire CAW leadership on stupid pills? If so, someone take them away from these guys as they must be double-dosing.

The issue here is Ken that your union is not in 'bargaining negotiations' - your unions is fighting for its life! This talk of not being reasonable is stupid off the scale. Give them what they want, keep your workers out of the soup kitchens and start building cars and trucks that people want to buy. Then once the company is healthy again go on strike and get your wages back up. This whole thing is like debating water conservation when your house is on fire - do what it takes to save your house today and worry about getting back your spa days and free legal services et al later.

They are demanding the band play their tune as the Titanic is sinking.


Chris in Sudbury
said

I am not crazy about unions, but I think the CAW has done enough, it is time for the multimillionaires in the Board Room to take a cut.


Rob
said

Right Ken, and it never snows in Canada!


LB in Alberta
said

CAW should be cutting wages. Government should NOT be aiding a manufacturer with taxpayer's moneys. The big three put themselves in this mess. They were given monies over the years to evolve vehicles that are gas economical, where did that money go? Why did they keep producing the big gas guzzling expensive vehicles? Even here in Alberta people are conscious of gas costs. Shame on you for asking for bailouts. I am sure that when these companies go bankrupt the guys at the top will have extremely lucrative payouts that they will get at the expense of the workers and they pension packages. Nurses, police, EMS people do not make the kind of money you do, take the pay cut and work, or not. Your choice.


Al in Ontario
said

Actually Ken has got it wrong, he's not bargaining in this situation, it's his call if he wants to see Chrysler in Canada or not.

I've seen it happen before, the union folks only come to their senses after the company decides to move production out of the country, and these decisions are hardly ever reversed.


Shoe
said

Yeah, just like it is not my fault for my debts...
Sheesh...
Typical union, place the blame on others, rather than your own selfishness...


Jim McCorkle, Medicine Hat AB
said

When I see 76 $ an hour makes me sick we have thousand of skilled workers many oroviding their own tools for about half as much, caw is spoiled, should fire them all & start over


GRD
said

There is lots of blame to go around but give me a break, the CAW have to take the brunt of it. If Honda and Toyota can do it so can the Big (actually Little) Three. These auto workers are no great contributors to society and should get paid accordingly. Take the fall boys because you won't get much sympathy from the general public.


J9
said

What I'd like to know is, are the high-priced execs being asked to take the same percentage pay cuts as the line workers? Or are the powers-that-be just dumping all the blame on the CAW?


Paul in Ajax
said

As a 24 year Chrysler worker and 30 year CAW member, I have to take issue with a number of comments here. It's not that I don't agree with you, it's that you think the average worker shares Lewenza's views. Read my blog, more workers accept my realistic position than that of Lewenza.

http://paulsrants-paulsstuff.blogspot.com/


Bill. Ontario.
said

As a senior who's private pension dropped by a substantial amount because of the economic climate I have very little sympathy for the GM workers who allow the union to dictate whether or not they work or get laid off because they are not prepared to make a bigger sacrifice. Surely it is better to make a little less to preserve their jobs for the future.As the saying goes
"with age comes wisdom", think about it guy's.


ak
said

take the cut or become accustomed to a new hourly wage set by welfare canada.


ak


Im in the wrong industry.
said

what a joke....even after a $19/hour cut, they are still making $57/hour. Your all over paid to begin with and you still will be if the cut is accepted. Get over it.


sdgreen, North Saanich BC
said

The CAW just does not get it. If Chrysler, GM or FORD is to survive, then the Union has to be part of the solution and reduce their expectations.

Government should NOT bail out private pensions to the tune that CAW wants, such is totally unfair to those taxpayers who do not have a pension. Hourly wages are one thing, but the cost of added benefits in the auto industry are just too rich.


Smart Investor
said

Writing cheques to bankrupt/failed companies is the end of the free market as we know it. Let the company fail, let the market correct itself so the free market can start again fresh.

Standing at a photocopier issuing cheques or money with NO PRODUCTIVE value is inflationary policy. Economics for Dummies. Duh.


Kevin in Vancouver
said

If my RRSP goes badly is the government suppose to top it up for me? These workers will have to make due with the same pension as every other Canadian, it's unfortunate for them but really how could we do this any other way. Imagine a company to get workers to agree to a contract initiate an enormous pension scheme knowing they will never pay it but knowing the government would.


Lewenza has his head up his.......
said

Hey Ken Lewenza, can you not appreciate the fact the unions are finished in the auto industry. You're done. What do you think is going to happen when FIAT walks away?? At the end of the day, no jobs for your membership and you..


Dave in Toronto
said

If a Company is not making money that Company should have the right to Lay-off staff or Lower Wages . That is the only way Profit's will improve . The Goverment should desolve the CAW Union as part of the Bailout package deal .



Margaret
said

Indeed, it is not totally the fault of the CAW that Chrysler (and the other 2 of the "Big 3") is in such a financial pickle. Take a look at the bigger picture. Coal truck drivers are making big wages. Iron Ore miners are making big wages. Coal is used to make Steel from Iron Ore. Steel is used to make cars. Workers in the Oil Patch make really good wages. Oil is used to make the plastics that are used in car manufacturing. However, these are "outside" costs that the automobile manufacturer's really have no control over, but must factor into the cost of producing a vehicle for market. Everyone is taking a hit during this recession. We're just not hearing about them.

But, it is the unionized workers that are paying the price for corporate greed and uncontrolled consumerism.


KP
said

Wake up and smell the coffee. Take the cut or go home. The unions don`t care they are trying to save their own skin.Join the rankes of us normal wage makers.


d archambeau
said

I will be completely and utterly furious if our tax dollars go to ensuring that those pensions keep on flowing after these companies go bankrupt. That should have been up to the greedy unions not us the tax payers. If the unions did not ensure that the pensions are separate from company survival then they should be funding the pensions out of the very deep pockets. !!!Enough is Enough!!!


Andrew
said

If big concessions are made by the union, what will stop any other union or non-union employer from dropping the wages across the board?? If one company can do it to save money should not all companies take a pay cut to make their companies more profitable???


Bryce Code, Calgary
said

The CAW has no shame. I cannot believe they think the Government should back their private company pensions! The sense of entitlement of autoworkers is astounding!


sandyr
said

So I guess the workers would be better off unemployed without any benifits than having to give up things like semi private hospital rooms. Oh wait... They would be able to get these while unemployed right?


Tim Oshawa
said

Well Mr Lewenza the bottom line is simple ...
Do you want the members to work ...or be unemployed ? The call is yours Ken.
I am sure the people would rather take a cut in and pay and have a job. Now if the workers didn't have to pay all those CAW Dues they would have a nice savings there also.. Hint Hint !
Problem Solved :
CAW goes on EI ....
The people keep their jobs !
Ken ? are you working for a BUCK A YEAR to help out ?


richard calgary
said

these people have their heads buried in the sand


A. Bica
said

Not only has management been on the other side of the bargaining table negotiating, and accepting, of these so-called unrealistic labour agreements but labour costs represent only 9% of the automaker's production costs so it's hard to see how a labour cost reduction to 7-8% would save Chrysler from its self-destruction.

It's all about poor management not labour costs. Perhaps the multimillion dollar salaries and bonuses paid to these executive jokers for their lack of foresight should be recovered first.


RobO
said

I one dollar is given to the CAW for there pension fund by any form of Government, then the CAW better expect to be on the hook for the rest of Canadian Pension Plans.

Yes Ken you and your gene pool will have to pay this one yourselfs.


Suzanne
said

I am seriously licking my lips in anticipation of this imminent bankruptcy, I can't wait. The arrogance and greed of this union are simply unbelievable. Sure, Lewenza and CAW, look for other ways to cut costs, let someone else pay for all your greed over the years. Well, enjoy your time in the unemployment line, you'll be there for quite a while.


Joe
said

Hey CAW, can spell EI?


Tim Oshawa ... RIP ...CAW
said

CHRYSLER !! CLOSE UP !!
Your on a dead end street talking to Lewenza ...
Chrysler do as the CAW has done to you... hit them where it counts ..
The POCKET BOOK !!!





CPO
said

Everyone is to blame from capital providers to union workers and from management to the fools that kept purchasing sub-standard vehicles from these companies.


John (Winnipeg)
said

Everything that's happening right now is the CAW's fault.
The unions have been holding the gun at the American Car Manufacturer for decades. The Car Manufacturers had no choice but to give in to union demands till now.

Mr. Lewenza! Please smarten-up.


Elise
said

Seriously, this union cannot fathom that their demands for more and more benefits, etc, have created a payout for Chrysler that is not sustainable. I wonder where, or if, they learned anything about math or basic economics and business. No more money to the auto industry!!!


Tom
said

Although I have a lot of concerns with what is unfolding I can't help but wonder if half a loaf of bread is bettter than no loaf at all. If the company folds you have nothing, could it hurt to lose for long term benefits, as for the province backing your pension I am totally against it. Why do you deserve more than any other worker in Ontario?


Miguel
said

In order for the big 3 auto makers to survive, all executives should also take salaries & benefits cuts, not just CAW members.


kate
said

Ken, here's the deal - it's a global economy. They can get 16 year old kids in Mexico to do the job for one-tenth of the cost your guys are paid. So either step up to the plate and take a cut or shut up and go out of business. Companies exist for profit not for welfare, that's what the government is for. As for pensions, too bad, so sad - you pay in nothing - you should get nothing from taxpayers. Sue them if you want money


dave
said

The unions are the FAULT and their workers are part of the union what else needs to be sais.


RL88
said

The auto workers themselves needs to speak up on this issue. And they need to be aware that CAW is just as happy having 10,000 members as oppose to the good old days with 60,000+ members. I'm speaking to the auto workers here: Do you want to be one of the 50,000 or so employees on the other side of the fence? The non-paying side. Lets face it, how lucky do you feel? Lewenza only cares about his salary, because all he needs is a few members to stand by his side (and eventually pay for his wages). As for the rest... I hear McDonalds is hiring. 'Might want to send your apps in now.


WESTERNER
said

Also, Excutives should be taking a cut both at Chrylser and the CAW - you fat cats are paid way to much for Marketing a poor product! And good luck in all of you finding jobs in a Recession with Recalls and non-negotiating skills. I'm sure all of your resumes will be reviewed carefully. It's the kids of all these greedy people (CAW & CRYSLER) I feel for in a recession they don't deserve what their parents took upon themsevles. Happy Job hunting people - nice way to work towards compromise - Divorce company style!!!


sick_and_tired
said

I will concede to one point - it is not totally the CAW's fault. It is everyones fault.

The auto company allowing these huge concessions from the unions in the first place - these people make an extreme amount of money for their skill level. Why should the company be paying them better than the average worker.

Society for saying it's ok for the unions to suck all these concessions out of the company and other organizations. These people get used to their huge compansation packages and then when the country goes into recession and the rest of us are having to take salary cuts etc to keep a company afloat these guys keep on making their handsome salaries.

CAW get with the 21 century - you should get paid for what you are worth - not what can be sucked out of a company.

On the other hand if someone can get me a really nice union job with pension, benefits, vacation pay, etc - let me know ok? I am tired of being unemployeed on EI...


Mike N
said

Lewenza said Monday that governments have a responsibility to make sure that pensions "are adequate moving forward."

Why do taxpayers have to be responsible for a private company's pension plan? That's outrageous.


Erwin
said

Until the CAW reveals makes its contract public, I do not support more of our taxes going to these highly paid workers. They have benefits that most Canadians can only dream of getting. I suspect they will not make the contract public because they will lose any support they now have.
And as for the 7% cost of labour - many of the parts suppliers are also CAW workers with similar wages. How much do their wages contribute to the cost of vehicles? The big 3 are really only vehicle assemblers - the labour costs of the parts suppliers are part of the equation too.


sick_and_tired
said

Hey is it just me, or do all union leaders look like gangsters?

I have to tell you these guys all dress the same and grease their hair baack in the same way - real grease-balls - Ugh...

They look like some gangsters from the 1920's! I think if they had to go and get real jobs they would never get one. Who wants a gangster working for them?


steve
said

The CAW and the greedy car companies got themselves into this mess and now it is about time they figure out how to get themselves out of it .. without the help of the goverment and the taxpayers of Canada !!! I wish them all the best.


DanWilliams
said

RVH

You are unfortunately in the majority of brain-dead commenter’s that speak and know not what you speak of.

Dan Williams
Waterloo



WestofTheRockies
said

Kenny! Listen up…….who cares who is to blame?!! The ship is sinking pal ! What are you going to do about that, keep spouting figures from the past?

Why should the Bondholders and Government (us) give up more? They've invested a lot already and they expect a return. What are you suggesting? They give Chrysler more money to continue to pay your workers more money than Honda or Toyota workers get, to continue turning out Chryslers at no profit? Huh???

Quit using G.M. as an example of your negotiating skills, they’re on the same boat as you, and it’s sinking. Who cares who drowns first, you’re going to drown.

Other than turning up for work every day & doing your jobs, you & your union brothers & sisters have nothing invested except time, and you've been handsomely compensated for that investment every 2 weeks.

What matters now is what are you going to do to prevent the ship from going down for good? Pointing fingers never saved anything!

Wake up, start talking to people, come up with some ideas to help but pleeeeeeease stop trying to bully everyone into supporting your ridiculous demands.





Sharon in Regina
said

Ken, it may not be the total fault of the workers but like all workers in all companies that are struggling right now, Chrysler workers will have to face reality. A job at a very good (but lesser) wage or no job. Expecting taxpayers, many of whom do not have defined pensions or any pensions at all, to support Chrysler pensioners is absurd. Suck it up Ken.


jp from ns
said

Bye Bye Gm Bye Bye chrylser
BYE bye caw 70. an hour wow
shame on you CAW
greedy greedy greedy




Al
said

He can resent the criticism all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of Canadians do not have "a job for life". If my boss told me tomorrow he was done, I'd be in the cold - no union, no severance, no nothin'. It's really hard to drum up sympathy for people that would rather close doors than make concessions.


Gord
said

For what it's worth, it doesn't matter who's to blame, Chrysler is broke and without white knight Fiat or Mr. Clement with his chequebook, paycheques will begin to bounce.
Also for what it's worth, both auto industry execs and CAW/UAW labour are equally to blame for allowing their labour and legacy costs to get so far out of whack from that of the Asians. The Big 3 are getting killed by the competition and that's been apparent for some time. Wake up and smell the coffee folks.


duck
said

And now ken says it is not the unions fault. That may be partly true---but--- If the auto makers are to survive all the players need to take less out of a vehicle. After the auto companies the suppliers represented by the CAW are going to need to take cuts as well. There needs to be an adjustment in North America to get to the world order. When the "private sector" is done with wage and salary adjustments then we need to begin tackling the public serveant sector and see some adjustment there as well.


Marc in Trenton
said

Where's Harper and his Notwithstanding clause: "The pension fund will secure all pension earning up to $1000 for all private pensions, Notwithstanding any unionized autoworkers pensions". Ah this is great!


Taylor
said

Let the company go, it will be replaced. It is the nature of business. if they sink in this industry it will make it easier for others to step up to the plate to take there place. Auction off all the company holdings pay the debt owed and we will all drive imported cars. The tax dollars paid by us the tax payer should not be used to bail out the CAW or the people working under them. If they are not happy with their union and the way they lost Chrysler let someone else pick up the tab.
By the way i drive a Masda. ZOOM ZOOM.


Edwin from Toronto
said

Object to auto bailout NOT equal to celebrate loss of jobs

Auto bailout = reduced help to other poorer average canadians

We need to have better use of money to save poorer canadians average making less than $20/hr.


Neil, eastern townships , Qc
said

The CAW has millions of dollars in strike funds !! Use that money to to help their members with their 5 stars pension plan. Don'T want to see any of my tax money to help them


Dan W
said

What don’t you get people? The $19/hr costs are mainly legacy costs. Legacy costs. Once again legacy costs. Cost for the workers that are retired. The same workers that built the company in the good days. Why do Honda and Toyota not have these costs? They have not been here long enough. I am sure the jealous and envious will throw those workers out on the street to when Honda and Toyota cry the blue as those costs become an issue. Jealousy is such an ugly thing.

Dan W
Waterloo



guppies
said

Is none of our business are we ?
Is between the CAW and the auto Manuf.

Don't tell me the rest of the Canadian who pay tax and Avg. making less than $20.00 or even less than that to help them putting steak on the table every nite. Since they think hamburger is not good enough.

Go get a life, correct a year of EI and see you are any better off with no income.


Edwin from Toronto
said

Years of management mis-steps may not be workers fault, but it is their problem and they can't avoid that.

Any employee of any company that has been mis-managed for years will find themselves in a similar boat.

They are free to say no and walk away and save the tax payers a load of dough.


B. Kelley, Ontario
said

Lewenza is only interested in protecting the Ford and GM contracts and he will throw the Chrysler workers under the wheels of a GM bus to do it. He wails about the pressure being put on the CAW as being unreasonable and opportunistic. This from an organization that held a gun to the heads of the Detroit 3 for decades and called it fair bargaining. The CAW has poisoned itself and now it wants the public to pay for the antidote. No way! Get in line for a Greeter's job at Walmart, Ken.


Rollback in BC
said

While the "roll back the wages" wal-mart mentalities are chanting away.... why don't they pick on the over-priced pro sports players too


Dennis P
said

Poor management, hard economic times, and yes, a greedy union have all contributed to the downfall of some corporations....but what is particularly galling is the inflexibility of the union....typical reaction is what they've negotiated in the past has become cast in stone in their minds, and therefore not touchable....what they need to realise is that the rank in file union members are OVER PAID, and that plus the benefits package make them too expensive....and make no mistake, the companies agreed to their greed in negotiations simply to avoid a lengthy strike, not because they were happy with the costs of appeasing the union or their ball-busting attitude.


Matt
said

Might not be the fault of the CAW.

But it isn't my fault either, and I don't want to pay to fix it.


Edwin from Toronto
said

Chrysler, or even GM, would go bankrupt ot leave Canada anyway.

It would be a waste of taxpayer money.

In this case, I'd rather see the money go into retraining the individuals.

Either way, Canadians are more interested in seeing the tax money be properly invested and not just thrown away carelessly.

So while it may seem callous to wish for bankruptcy, as that being a likely case, we should deal with realities and make decisions upon those realities.


Lee
said

I would take the unions more seriously if I knew how much the heads of these unions make and what concessions they are making personally. We can easily find out politicians pay, CEO's pay etc.why not the union leaders?


gord
said

Is it ok in your minds that the C.E.O'S MAKE 30 MILLION dollars a year.And take 24 MILLION with them when they get fired.And lose 85 BILLION in 13 years.But it's the workers fault,we should not make a decent living or have a pension.Thank you very much...
It's not are fault you didn't work at G.M.
Wouldn't that be nice if after 40 years of service thinking it's time to enjoy your pension that you paid...yes paid into you now will lose and have nothing.
Because of a Government that
allowed a company to use a
guaranteed pension fund for there own spending and lose it all.Once again thank you very much...
What goes around comes around.


PB - Toronto
said

All I know is autoworkers make alot more money than I do. Gone has been the times of a hard days work for a fair wage. Im sorry, and I dont mean and disrespect to any blue collar workers, but the CAW work does not justify the wage. Its time to come back to reality this all began in the 70's due to infaltion and the CAW took full advantage, those days are gone. let Chrysler fail or take the huge cuts and be happy you still have the job that would pay a wage that most would still envy.


-_-
said

Unions have definitely influenced the lead into the fall of the auto plant.

I think it's time that the union takes a hint or be forced to take a hike (not a hike in pay).


Dave - ON
said

tick ... tick ... tick ... tick ...10 days to go .... 10,000 to suffer ... 10 cents for your opinion on this matter, Ken ... 0.10 people who want to hear about this any more.


Dan from Northern Ont
said

These fatcats deserve nothing. Make your concessions or live in poverty.


ecaldwell
said

lewenza, i am sure you just didn't learn about the money the auto industry made since 1972. a smart leader would have jumped on this long before this recession unless that money was filling someones pockets. nice suit and car.


Steve in Toronto
said

I couldn't care less whether the unions back down or not ... as long as its not the taxpayers money. TTC and bikes are the best ! Any one of my 20 employees would jump at $30.00 an hour ....


Joe
said

Selfish and idiot Ken Lewenza still talking? He loves the sound of his own voice.

Take the pay cut, or have no job. Simple as that. Pretty sick that when other people are making shit or have no job at all that this guy has the gall to open his fat mouth complaining about how bad auto-workers have it. Take the red pill GAW and enter the REAL WORLD.


Rob
said

CAW will be the death of the Big three...and the Goverment better not give in to these thugs again. Any more tax money going into the pockets of these thieves will be remembered next Federal election. Let private enterprise be private, they do not share their huge profits and wages with us, why should we bail them out??
CAW needs to be disbanded! Labour Laws and regulations in Canada are in place to protect the workers, the union has no place in modern Canada! The CAW will be the death to all unions in Canada.


yoshi
said

7% IS NO BIG DEAL, BUT 19% IS BIG BIG DEAL. Here in Alberta, even the engineers, contractors are making big cut to salary, 10%+ wage cut to keep the company going or being let go.

If CAW is willing to make adjustment during bad times, I am sure they will have the support of the public during good times.

Don't be so stubborn.... you guys are making poor quality car that starts hearing funny noise after 3 years or 40000km.


Jean Doe
said

I am tired of giving to these clowns. Let them all go under, and then see how big there wages are. Most of them are very uneducated, greedy bunch of people. Take the union out of there and let them work for 8-10 dollars an hour like the rest of us. or relocate the plant to another province pay $15/hr and we will think were millionaires. Greed gets you nowheres.


Peter Gallantry
said

I am an auto-worked and I wish I made 76 dollars an hour. I appled for my job 22 years ago. they handed out applications at Canadas Wonderland. I was one of the lucky ones that got hired. All this jealousy and negative comments. Everyone had the same option as I did. Does everyone not strive to find the best paying job they can. Why blame the workers. One quick question "does anyone know of anyone that drives a 10 year old import. I know lots of people that still have their 10 year old Chrysler Ford or GM. Quality lasts


Philip
said

Now workers in Canada are competing with workers in India and China who work for much less. If the companies want to stay in business they have to lower labour costs, go out of business or relocate production. GM even has relocated research and development to China with a major facility there planned, not just production. That goes beyond what one would expect that they would outsource production and keep R+D at home.


The Hammer
said

My views are let this company fold and let the CAW fold with them. As a tax payer, I don't want my hard earned dollars invested in a losing company just to prop up a bunch of unreasonable and overpaid idiots. I also am appalled that this union leader as he is called is allowed to be on National television, preaching his unrealistic views. Once they are without work, don't come crying to the government and look for handouts. CAW membership have had their opportunities to move forward but refuse to for no other reason than selfish greed.

GP
said

Yes bad management clearly got the Auto sector in the trouble it is in now. I don’t think anyone will deny that. However the CAW’s current position is what will put the nail in the coffin. The “who and why are we here” has been largely figured out...Board of Directors greed and mismanagement. The “how can we get out of it” is the issue now. There is clearly new direction to whatever management is left from those dinosaurs that got the Auto sector into this mess. They have their marching orders or they’re fired. So looking back and pointing the finger is not helpful at this point...you can always come back to it later, if you still have a job.

The question is will the CAW make the final bad choices of their own, or realize we are past the point of caring and everyone needs to start fresh before it’s too late. If the CAW does continue on its course to self destruction can you please tell me what the difference is between the CAW management and those corporate management idiots that got us here.

Same crap...different pile.


robert
said

Lewenza wants the bondholders to give up billions of dollars so that the CAW members can get 100 thousand dollar buyouts,35 thousand dollar car coupons and for those members not entitled to buyouts,don't worry,if you get laid off,supplemental payments will protect you for up to 4 years.I wonder why the bondholders are reluctant?!?!?


buffalojump
said

I make very little $$$ and I don't want to subsidize autoworkers pensions which will be more than what I make.
Their pension guarantees should NOT be any more than others in Ontario.


Bill
said

I get it, its not all the CAW's fault the Chrysler and is in trouble. I only hope that it make the worker feel better when Chrysler leave Canada. I also hope that the peple who hope Chrysler does not get an gov't money and fails, are also ok with it when thousands of people suddenly apply for EI benifits.


Jo
said

Chrysler autoworkers, get rid of Lewenza. Your life rests in his hands and he will make you lose everything. Be smart and take the deal. A job at $50hr is better than social assistance, loss of your house and food banks. Wake-up, times are hard put your life in your hands and not someone else.


Don Regina
said

Give me a break. The workers have a choice, give up $19 per hour which still gives them about $55 per hour. That is the wage many trades people make after going through schooling and apprenticeship. What kind of training do the auto workers need. Or the other choice would be to go on IE and get far less and have to take training to qualify for another job.


Pierre
said

BOTH CAW and Chrysler own a part of the problem, and the pieces for the solution.

you're back at square one guys.... either at the bargainig table or the unemployment line... so choose quick.



JHL
said

Chrysler and the CAW...what a joke. Both have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. But seriously, there are no vital signs and there are definitely no signs of brain activity. Each of them is like a rotting corpse, a "loathsome mass of utter putrescence". Canada needs to sign a DNR form (Do Not Resuscitate} and take both of them off of life support and get on with the funerals. Let Chrysler die and the CAW will die shortly after.


The whole scenario is taking a nightmarish extremely stressful and devastating toll on the taxpayers. Do we not have enough to worry about already, like simply making ends meet? Chrysler sees this as a golden opportunity to cut wages, which the union vehemently opposes because they think the government will bail out Chrysler forever. And it is the poor taxpayers, most of whom don't even HAVE pension plans (since most employers don't provide them) who are caught in the middle. It is not right for the CAW to claim it is "community- minded" when the only community it cares about is ITSELF. The fact is, even IF the taxpayers ended up paying for JUST the pensions, how does the CAW think we would ever have enough money to buy cars of ANY kind which would result in even fewer sales, which would result in more layoffs?


GONE are the days when, if you got a job at the former "big 3", you would be set for your entire life. Such a thing must NEVER be allowed to happen again. The CAW was stupid to demand the whole concept, and the car companies were just as stupid to go along with it.


Let's just pull the plug and put these 2 bodies out of their misery. Forever.


Rose
said

There is no way that the government should provide pensions to those who paid to a union.
Did you know that military personnel who fight for your freedom once retired and collect old age pension have their retirement pension clawed back by the government. They actually take money away. Government officials don't claw back their pensions. Now talk about unfair. FIGHT FOR RETIRED MILITARY PERSONNEL TO KEEP THEIR PENSIONS AND NOT FOR CAW MEMBERS.


Buck-Niagara
said

I find it pitiful that supposedly well educated people as they like to be called are calling for the CAW's workers head on a platter. They have fallen for misrepresentation by the government and company. They believe everything bad about an autoworker and nothing true. They don't even take the time to find the truth. One does not bargin in good faith through the media or government officials. I find it rather odd that nobody here has mentiuoned the millions of dollors Chrysler owes the Ontario government in back taxes and yet nothing is mentioned of it here. The wage(average $33hr) of a union auto worker is a far cry from the amounts being posted here. Maybe if we took say a third of your wages and benifits away from those that oppose the union. After all that's what you want from them. I'm sure your boss would be more than happy to accomadate you. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Your turn will be next!!


WestofTheRockies
said

@Dan W

The reason, Toyota, Honda & others don't have legacy costs has nothing to do with how long they've been here. They opened plants & hired people with the knowledge they didn't have these gold-plated benifits.

They said here is a percentage extra, you contribute this + your own
to your own plan or RRSP.

They do a pretty good job of retaining people and provide lots of other benifits like day care help, community centers, social committees, etc.

Amazing what happens when you have a relationship based on reason & respect.

And look at the end result ...... good quality products.

Amazing eh??

Pay attention Kenny!


Jonathan from Saskatoon.
said

Ken's right! It was the auto exec's who demanded wages and benefits go stratospheric to make the big 3 unable to compete with other auto makers. Sarcasm aside, this has nothing to do with who's to blame, it's all about North American auto makers competitive in the global economy. The UAW/CAW have to learn to live in the real world or they will have to find work in other fields. Corporate leadership has to figure that out as well, they have to start building cars for the global market. But if they can't do that price competitively, then it's goodbye General, via con dios Dodge.


GLM
said

Those of us who've been around longer than most remember Chrysler's 1980's white knight Lee Iacocca throwing down the challenge for the Asians to compete on a level playing field and manufacture in North America The Asians took up the challenge they began to manufacture here and began to blow the Big 3 away, even with the Big 3's 80 year head start over them. When Iacocca retired he acknowledged he had had to eat his words and was a convert and warned Detroit to mend their ways or one day perish. Iacocca was dismissed as a cigar chomping old fogey has been to be tossed into the trashheap of Motown history.


Colin
said

I had to explain a simple lesson to my son the other day...beyond the CAW's understanding. If Fred puts 100 hours into a car at $49 an hour and George does same at $79 an hour how much does each have to add to their car in labour costs....Duuuuuhhhhh. The unions destroyed the UK automakers and now will finish off the Canadians/Americans. Congrats fools.


vinnie
said

No one spinning a lug nut on a vehicle with poor education should even make $25 an hour. I'm a licensed tool and die maker happily making $20 an hour with no pension,spa days,insurance.etc Sure the management is to blame but union wages can't help.


Joe
said

Chrysler employees need to take Ken and the CAW to court if Chrysler goes bankrupt.
Ken doesn't understand that it is either $19 hour cut or he will have some very angry fired former CAW employees to deal with it seems.


John
said

Tom Hayens needs to re-check his figures. Chrysler workers are NOT making $70/hr. I should know, I am one of them. I ma making $33/hr. If you add all the benefits (medical, legal etc.), it comes out to $59/hr. Please Tom, stop listening to the corporate propaganda and get the correct figures. Every time the media says that false figure, you're giving sympathy to the corporation from the public when it's not true. These jobs are beneficial to the communities that they are in.

SAY NO TO CONCESSIONS!!!!


Wanda H
said

John from Oshawa.

Great post, I loved how it was written, and it's great to finally find someone on this board who knows what they're talking about! Too bad 183 of these posts are based on pure fiction and misleading information from the press!




MAL
said

They're Pirates. Han... oops wrong story, same basic premise.

10,000 well paying jobs or 10,000 folks on EI. Simple choice, take the cuts people.

And I concur with the opinion that has floated through many stories that if Chrysler shuts down the employees should not get EI since they are in effect refusing a job offer. That is the rule after all, but if Chrysler does go under then they should not be allowed to sell in Canada.

BTW, I drive a 2000 neon. My first Chrysler. It's had 3 serious repairs due to faulty design costing thousands..... the Union didn't bankrupt Chrysler, shoddy product did.


Mar C
said

FYI, it's not only North American car companies that have huge recalls. Honda has had recalls this past year on the Civic, the Element, the Ridgeline, the Pilot and the Odyssey. Volkwagen has has recalls on the Passat, the Tiguan, the Beetle and the Rabbit. Toyota has had recalls on the Highlander, Highlander Hybrid and the Camry. How come we don't hear about those recalls from the the foreign loving, Union bashing media!


Mark Walsh
said

Let's use the 2 billion in bail-out money to start-up a truly canadian auto company.and give the jobs to the people who truly want them at the right wage. NO UNIONS ALLOW. BYE BYE BIG THREE. Three Strikes and YOUR OUT.


not impressed
said

Poverty level? Are you joking or just stupid?

My Mom makes less than half of these people working for a company that makes parts for them and she survives by living within her means.
Unfortunately she will lose her job if these clowns don't come down to reality and take the wage cut.

I worked for Toyota during the summers while I was in school and building cars is not difficult. Any monkey can build a car.


Joe from Ontario
said

I have a feeling that Chrysler will go bankrupt due to the CAW refusing to give the concessions. That is when Fiat will take it over as the CAW's contracts and any other relationships will be null and void. Meaning that Fiat can remove employees that refuse to work for the wages and benefits they offer. Those former Chrysler employees that are willing to take very nice above average wage of $18 an hour can stay. They will hire employees that are willing to work for that wage afterwards. So some will be out of work but others will have new jobs. It will all work out in the end!


A CAW Worker
said

Toyota Motor Corp. and Chrysler LLC led the industry in productivity, with each averaging 30.37 hours to fully assemble a vehicle. That was a 7.7 percent improvement for Chrysler from 2006, but a 1.5 percent drop for Toyota. Toyota's inefficiencies were largely due to the rapid shift away from trucks and sport utilities as gas prices rose, according to Ron Harbour, a partner in the automotive consulting firm Oliver Wyman whose father began producing the annual Harbour Report in 1994.

Honda Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Nissan Motor Co., Ford Motor Co. followed Toyota and Chrysler, with a productivity gap of no more than 3.5 hours, down from a gap of as much as eight hours five years ago. Hyundai Motor Co., whose Montgomery, Ala., plant was participating in the report for the first time, had the lowest productivity rate of 35.10 hours per vehicle.

Using the most recent Harbor Report, Chrysler is as productive as Toyota. Toytota has about a $600 per car advantage over Chrysler. Honda and Nissan about $300. Chrysler has an advantage of $260 over GM and Ford. So lets assume Chrysler gets the union down to $57 all-in. Chrysler and Toyota now tied, an advantage of $200 over Nissan and Honda, and advantage of roughly $600 over Ford and Chrysler. Now give Ford and GM the same cuts, and suddenly our Big 3 are looking a whole lot better.

Makes sense Ken, just do it.


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A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
7:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
7:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
8:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
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Toronto Wed, Feb 8, 12
8:00pm Whitney
8:30pm Hot in Cleveland
9:00pm The River
10:00pm Unforgettable
8:00pm Unforgettable
9:00pm Whitney
9:30pm Hot in Cleveland
10:00pm The River
7:00pm Whitney
7:30pm Hot in Cleveland
8:00pm The River
9:00pm Unforgettable
7:00pm Whitney
7:30pm Hot in Cleveland
8:00pm The River
9:00pm Unforgettable
8:00pm Whitney
8:30pm Hot in Cleveland
9:00pm The River
10:00pm Unforgettable
8:00pm Unforgettable
9:00pm Whitney
9:30pm Hot in Cleveland
10:00pm The River
8:00pm Unforgettable
9:00pm Whitney
9:30pm Hot in Cleveland
10:00pm The River
8:00pm Whitney
8:30pm Hot in Cleveland
9:00pm The River
10:00pm Unforgettable
8:00pm Whitney
8:30pm Hot in Cleveland
9:00pm The River
10:00pm Unforgettable
8:00pm Whitney
8:30pm Hot in Cleveland
9:00pm The River
10:00pm Unforgettable
8:00pm Whitney
8:30pm Hot in Cleveland
9:00pm The River
10:00pm Unforgettable
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
7:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
7:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
8:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
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Toronto Tue, Feb 7, 12
8:00pm American Idol
10:00pm CSI
8:00pm CSI
9:00pm American Idol
7:00pm American Idol
9:00pm CSI
7:00pm American Idol
9:00pm CSI
8:00pm American Idol
10:00pm CSI
8:00pm CSI
9:00pm American Idol
8:00pm CSI
9:00pm American Idol
8:00pm American Idol
10:00pm CSI
8:00pm American Idol
10:00pm CSI
8:00pm American Idol
10:00pm CSI
8:00pm American Idol
10:00pm CSI
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
7:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
7:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
8:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
6:00am Live 8
A historic day of rock 'n' roll as CTV broadcasts concerts from around the world.
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